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Is it OK to Divorce an Abusive Spouse?

Call me what you will, I just believe that God meant for two people to spend life together, for better or for worse. I heard a preacher one time telling childhood stories about his parents down in Tennessee. I was shocked at what I heard. One day his father ran around the corner of the barn and said, “Son, go get my shotgun, your mother just stabbed me!” They never divorced. Now I'm not justifying that kind of crazy behavior, but I will say this to those of you who have ears to hear—we've lost personal integrity in America! People used to have something that this weak-kneed generation just doesn't have today—CHARACTER!!!

Surely it can't be God's will for me to stay with a person who beats me up? I think that is entirely the wrong way to look at things. As Christians (I speak to saved people) we ought to have a determination in our heart to stay married through thick and thin, no matter matter. If you're not saved, then Satan is in control of your life, so I do not speak to you. Jesus Christ cannot become your Lord (Master) until you first receive Him as your personal Savior (John 1:12-14). The moment you get saved, Jesus automatically becomes your new Master instead of the Devil. You don't have to acknowledge Jesus as your Lord to be saved, for that would be adding human effort to the simple plan of salvation given in the Bible. 1st Timothy 4:10 says that Jesus is “the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.” I love that Scripture! We have a good God ladies and gentlemen!

I love my mother and father, both born-again Christians, who have both gone onto to be with Jesus in Heaven. What a blessing to be with Jesus! I miss them dearly. But they had a rough marriage for 36-years. I could tell you hundreds of horror stories. I'd imagine every family has their share of dirty laundry, and I advise people to always keep their dirty-laundry at home where it belongs. What we need to do is place all that dirty laundry into Jesus' hands, and let Him deal with it—He'll cleanse all sin with His precious blood, and straighten everything all out! Jesus died on the cross so He could make everything right, because there's nothing that you nor I can do to straighten up the mess we've made out of life.

Is your life more resemblant of a train-wreck than a normal life? If so, you are in good company my friend. Our Savior uses the misfits, poor, ex-cons, failures, the destitute and broken-hearted, the lame, diseased, in debt, tired and weary souls. Where Did David Get His Mighty Men? (an awesome MP3 sermon, by Dr. Jack Hyles). God doesn't need our money, talents and education; but rather, he needs our heart to be humble in prayer, and obey to Him at all times as we forsake the sinful world and live for Jesus to get souls saved and .

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 56 Comments [4/4/2018 2:12:54 PM]
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checkmate

we've lost personal integrity in America! People used to have something that this weak-kneed generation just doesn't have today—CHARACTER!!!


Right!

This is the character they used to have, good, true Christians the lot:






4/4/2018 3:07:03 PM

pyro

One day his father ran around the corner of the barn and said, “Son, go get my shotgun, your mother just stabbed me!” They never divorced.

Then he's an even bigger idiot than you are.

Surely it can't be God's will for me to stay with a person who beats me up? I think that is entirely the wrong way to look at things.

Of course it is the wrong way to look at things. God probably doesn't exist, so you should stop worrying about what he thinks. And worrying about what sanctimonious death cultists like David Stewart thinks is right out.

Not saying that Christians are all death cultists. Just the ones that would expect a man to stay married to a woman who stabbed him. How is that a reasonable expectation of anybody?!

4/4/2018 3:25:11 PM

creativerealms

It was okay in your wife's case.

4/4/2018 4:00:25 PM

Kanna

Of course you'd say that. You want your wife back — but she had more sense than to stick around.

4/4/2018 4:10:54 PM



Is it OK to Divorce an Abusive Spouse?




Yes. Yes it is.





People used to have something that this weak-kneed generation just doesn't have today—CHARACTER!!!



Considering your hypocrisy and your paedophilia, I'd rather not have you appreciate or compliment my goddamn character

4/4/2018 5:48:30 PM

SpukiKitty

Is it OK to Divorce an Abusive Spouse?




....AND I REFUSE TO READ THE REST OF YOUR SCREED DUE TO THE FACT THAT I'LL KNOW THAT IT IS BOUND TO BE A BIG, POMPOUSLY-WRITTEN, BOMBASTIC, HOLIER-THAN-THOU MISOGYNIST SCREED ON HOW YOU SAY OTHERWISE....WHEREBY I WILL RESPOND....FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART....


4/4/2018 5:50:22 PM

Keith

Sad how quickly i identified this as a Davey rant....

Kind of handy advice for the abuse, what? Keep the abuse between abuser, victim, and Jesus. Anyone like cops, counselors, neighbors, divorce attny, just complicate the abuse... mihht even, i dunno, fucking stop it?
While Davey wants a society where only his imaginary friend could stop it...



Fuck that.

4/4/2018 6:15:19 PM

Thinking Allowed

Dave, we get it. You're pissed because your wife divorced you.

4/4/2018 9:06:18 PM

Titania

Looks like the former Mrs Stewart didn't see it like that, she didn't stand by her man in the end. I say: MORE POWER TO HER!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7y5BjJcwU

4/4/2018 9:15:44 PM

The Angry Dybbuk

Not only is it all right to leave an abuser, but it's a mistake - and no, the kids will not benefit from your making it - to stay with a cruel partner.

You could end up with timid or cruel children.

...or, in some cases, badly injured or dead children....or dead you.

4/4/2018 10:23:15 PM

Anon-e-moose

Dave...:



...have you ever considered for one single fucking second why your wife divorced you?!

Now pay the fucking alimony & child support already, David J. Pedo.

Abusive Spouse?

Call me what you will


Don't need to: as the facts speak for themselves. Thanks for being honest.

Otherwise why did she divorce you?

4/4/2018 11:20:22 PM

heleninedinburgh

Well, if God's like that (I say 'if' because I know many God-fanciers who don't interpret the Bible to say that God's a total cunt), then

FUCK GOD.

4/5/2018 4:34:23 AM

Canadiest

Ah, but was that preacher just lying, like you all do at a whim.
Here's a hint, that story doesn't end there, the conclusion to that isn't "They never divorced."
These are the incomplete anecdotes you only hear in sermons.

4/5/2018 6:06:13 AM

KingOfRhye

Is it OK to Divorce an Abusive Spouse?




(Just gotta work in a WWE reference, considering what's coming up this weekend...lol)

4/5/2018 6:15:04 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

Is it OK to Divorce an Abusive Spouse?

How dare you, an abuser, to "answer" such a question?!?
May ketoacidosis and hysterical high blood pressure soon rid the world of your vile existence! May your soul be dragged to Hell, where you shall forever be forced to watch as a succubus in the form of a twelve-year-old Taylor Swift wearing transparent yoga pants dances seductively, yet whenever you would reach out to grope her with your slimey hands, she shall move just out of your reach, and whenever you try to masturbate, your penis shall retreat into your body! And so it shall be forevermore!
The Pharaoh has spoken!

4/5/2018 12:55:24 PM

Some Christian Anon

Perhaps the issue might be that we let people get married too easily. Seems crazy to me that divorce is such a legal quagmire seemingly designed to make a breakup even more painful, and yet marriage is as easy as going to a government office, paying a fee, and signing some paper. Even religiously, this is supposed to be a kind of special covenant. Letting just anyone walk in and get married so easily is kind of a problem.

Of course, we still have to leave divorce as an option, even when we fix this obvious oversight, because otherwise we'd force the abuse victim to contemplate murdering their spouse, should society deny any other options.

4/5/2018 3:15:42 PM

Keith

@somexiananon...
Well, the instant two people are wed, their estates are joined. So divorce takes a bit more than wedding them because issues of property, children, debt, pets, and who gets which friends has to be worked out.
Marriage is just simpler.



How would you go about "solving" this problem of too easy weddings, though?
How would you justify it?

If two consenting adults want to get married, by what authority would you slow or stop them?

The RCC, for an example, requires some minimum attendance to their marriage school, but that's only a requirement if you want the Church to bless your union. What would the state use as a criteria, and on what basis?

4/5/2018 3:48:31 PM



It's not just okay to divorce an abusive spouse, any decent human being has a moral obligation to get someone they know is in an abusive relationship out of harm's way.

Not that a two-faced, child molesting, malignant narcissist with a self-serving memory that tries to use the bible as a cudgel proclaiming judgment on others while himself refusing to accept judgment and will continue to do so even on his knees in front of an angry God would know what morality or decency feels like.

4/6/2018 6:56:55 AM

Jacob Harrison

Another example of David J Stewart’s sexist Protestant fundementalist heresy. He believes that his wife should have stayed with him even after he commited adultry and molested an underage girl.

If you saw my previous posts, here, you know I am a Traditionalist Catholic so you might be asking me about why I am condemning David J Stewart for his views on marriage, given the Catholic Church’s opposition to divorce.

Well the Catholic Church does indeed oppose divorce, but staying married =/= having to live together. If a wife has an abusive husband, she can leave him, take the kids, file a restraining order, and live far away, but still remain married to him. So domestic abuse can still be stopped without divorce.

4/7/2018 10:14:13 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

@Jacob Harrison:
Well the Catholic Church does indeed oppose divorce, but staying married =/= having to live together. If a wife has an abusive husband, she can leave him, take the kids, file a restraining order, and live far away, but still remain married to him. So domestic abuse can still be stopped without divorce.

To leave a loveless and betrayed marriage broken and lingering as an empty, undead husk is a greater disservice to the institution of marriage than any divorce could ever be.

Also, a religion that forbids its clergy from founding families has absolutely no authority on family matters.

4/7/2018 10:39:42 AM



@ Jacob Harrison

There's an issue with that in that while you are still legally married your spouse has the power to interfere with your life, and in the lives of any children you have. And an abuser will do so simply to prove that you are still in their control. David J. Stewart is firmly of the belief that his family are his possessions and that nothing he does to them could possibly be illegal or morally wrong. He's gone as far as lauding men who have killed their families for displeasing them. Beyond the legal avenues of attack there is still the shame of association and condemnation by society for the actions of someone you want nothing to do with. "The sins of the father shall fall unto the son" is a common, life-destroying sentiment that many children suffer with.

I would pose a question to you: If being married means becoming one flesh and self-harm/suicide is an unforgivable sin in the eyes of God - one that can bring about excommunication and the refusal to perform the Last Rites - then what does it mean in that context when someone abuses their spouse, in essence inflicting deliberate harm on themselves? If you make your spouse fear for their own safety is that not analogous to attempted suicide to this school of thought? An abuser has already brought harm to their union, essentially killed it. I would say in a spiritual sense their death as a unified entity has certainly done them part.

A marriage without love demeans the institution far greater than what many say threatens it today. A family held together by fear and shame is poison unto itself and destroys more assuredly than a "missing" mother or father.

4/7/2018 11:03:09 AM

Jacob Harrison

@Pharaoh Bastethotep

1. It is not a disservice to marriage because it means that marriage is a holy sacrament before God that cannot be broken.

2. The Catholic Church has authority over the family matters of it’s members.

@Anonymous commenter

1. That’s not an issue, if the abused wife sets up an independent bank account and gets finnancial support from her friends and family so that she is finnancially independent of her husband.

2. I explained why David J Stewart’s beliefs about his family are heresy

3. Your hunch is correct.

4/7/2018 11:28:46 AM

Anon-e-moose

1- The Paedophile Priests Scandal: and not just in Ireland

2- The 2015 legislation-deciding referendum on Same-Sex Marriage in Ireland

3- An upcoming referendum in Ireland: the Big One: Abortion

4- ?????

5- The RCC has no right to tell anyone what to do.

In Soviet Ireland, God is controlled by you.

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=137401&Page=6

...oh, and a certain someone who shall remain clueless has forgotten how to just Walk Away.

David J. Pedo. Paedo Priests.

Seems that someone - along with a whole load of kiddy-diddling priests - doesn't have the right to an opinion. [/Matthew 7:1]

--EDIT--

@Pharaoh Bastethotep

After admitting in the above linked thread he was Ratprick Scrotumer - previously here - seems that 'Clueless' is just reduced to being a troll: because he proved he was when he impersonated a Protestant.

Such is the hypocrisy of fundies: Proddie or Left-footer. Also:

No, the Catholic Church is in no way qualified to talk of family matters


But as Clueless - Jerkob - claims, they are...?!:



The Catholic Church is opposed to sex education in school. As opposed to teaching the kids by, say, actually fucking them


-Frankie Boyle

4/7/2018 11:45:55 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

1. It is not a disservice to marriage because it means that marriage is a holy sacrament before God that cannot be broken.

Oh yes, this soulless legalistic attitude towards marriage is a perversion of marriage.

2. The Catholic Church has authority over the family matters of it’s members.

It would be most foolish to ask those who not only have no experience in the matter, but are even sworn not to acquire such experience. No, the Catholic Church is in no way qualified to talk of family matters.

4/7/2018 11:46:31 AM

Jacob Harrison

@Pharaoh Bastethotep

1. How is it a perversion of marriage? It emphasizes how divinely important it is and that it is a lifelong commitment.

2. Um, the Catholic Church is qualified to be involved in family matters because they are the ones in charge of Catholic marriages. Catholic Priests are the officiants at Catholic weddings.

4/7/2018 12:07:08 PM

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