Quote# 13990

["Didn't St. Mel Gibson's father deny the holocaust?"]

I deny it too, so what? How do you know that really happened if you are not allowed to research the subject? If it really did happen exactly as the West would like you to believe, what are we trying to hide by making examination of the “facts” illegal?

Why is the denial of the existence of God Himself legal but that of the Holocaust is not?

Abby, News Hounds 30 Comments [8/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Yes, ignore all of the holocaust survivors and video footage, etc. that does exist. If you can talk to that many people who experienced it and have seen it, it existed.

The denial of God is not a matter of legal, but the reason people do it is because of a lack of sufficient evidence.

There are also books written about the holocaust, if you decided to read something other than the Bible, you'd realize that books have information.

8/18/2006 3:10:21 AM

Star Cluster

I was not aware that being an ignorant moron was illegal. You have just as much right in this country (USA) to deny the holocaust if you like, just as I have the right to deny that your god exists. But there is proof that the holocaust occurred whereas there is none that your god exists.

8/18/2006 3:10:43 AM


Since when is it illegal to research the Holocaust??

8/18/2006 3:12:11 AM


Go directly to Michael Schermer. Do not pass Go. Do not collect a high school diploma.

8/18/2006 3:14:44 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Fuck yourself with a rusty peice of rebar.

8/18/2006 3:16:10 AM


\"I deny it too, so what?\"

You and he are both morons.

\"How do you know that really happened if you are not allowed to research the subject?\"

Who is stopping anyone from researching the subject?

\"If it really did happen exactly as the West would like you to believe, what are we trying to hide by making examination of the “facts” illegal?\"

To what \"facts\" are people being denied access?

If these \"facts\" support you denial, why do you put \"facts\" in quotes?

\"Why is the denial of the existence of God Himself legal but that of the Holocaust is not?\"

Because the existence of God is contended without supporting evidence, the holocaust is very, very well documented. Only class \"A\" morons deny the holocaust.

8/18/2006 3:20:16 AM


The denial of a non-existent, imaginary deity harms no-one. The denial of the murder of millions of people harms everyone.

8/18/2006 3:32:07 AM


Denying the holocaust is nigh on insanity, what with the remains of the camps, the countless testimonies from survivors, photos and videos of the malnourished and half-dead innocents, and the sudden 'mysterious' disappearance of several million unfortunate people.

By all means, don't let reality get in the way of your twisted view of the world, though.

8/18/2006 4:09:40 AM


Research all you like. Please. It isn't illegal. Never has been. Never will be.

8/18/2006 4:28:52 AM


Why is the denial of the existence of God Himself legal but that of the Holocaust is not?

I will agree that denying the Holocaust should not be illegal (it is in some European nations), but denying God is far more reasonable - after all, there is overwhelming evidence that the Holocaust happened, and none whatsoever for God.

8/18/2006 4:33:51 AM


My grandad fought in WWII. I'm sure he'll be happy to tell you all about it.

8/18/2006 4:55:48 AM

To the best of my knowledge, research of the Holocaust (or, for that matter, any other aspect of World War II) is completely legal; I know of no nation that limits it. Everything of a \"national security\" nature at that time surely must be declassified by now, and even then I can't imagine that such concerns would ever have impacted on any research into the Holocaust.

This spurious claim of research being \"illegal\" is just as empty as the fundies' contention that they cannot get any creationism articles accepted in scientific journals, when in fact none to speak of have ever even been submitted.

~David D.G.

8/18/2006 4:56:19 AM


I'm wagering this guy's not American. Some European countries have very stringent laws against Nazi philosophies and viewpoints.

8/18/2006 5:30:24 AM


So is denying something that is well documented (the Holocaust) the pendulum swing that hopes to make up for accepting something that is poorly documented (x-tian god)?

It's a sick little tit who refuses to acknowledge an actrocity of such magnitude. Feel good about yourself abby, nobody else is going to.

8/18/2006 5:33:11 AM


Wha-wha-what!?!!? The fucker's a saint now?

8/18/2006 5:35:16 AM


This one really pissed me off. My wife's mother and grandmother were holocaust survivors. They made it out through the French underground and were hidden in a convent basement for months -- thank fuck there are GOOD Christians in the world.

How dare idiots like Abby try to tell them it never really happened.

8/18/2006 7:44:19 AM

The Last Conformist

He's telling himself he's not allowed to research it, because else he'd have to get his fat as moving and do some research, and that'd be like work.

8/18/2006 7:51:22 AM


Where is examining the facts of the Holocaust illegal?

In other news, what has Abby been smoking? cause I'd like to stay away from it.

8/18/2006 8:32:49 AM


While denying it should not be illegal, it's a shit storm more harmful to deny something in which millions of people died and which has a great deal of proof versus denying an entity for which there is no proof.

When we begin to forget the past, deny it, then inevitably we will repeat it.

8/18/2006 9:07:47 AM


\"Holocaust denial is illegal in eleven European countries: Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947), Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law), the Czech Republic under section 261, France (Loi Gayssot), Germany (§ 130 (3) of the penal code) also the Auschwitzlüge law section 185, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code). In addition, under Law 5710-1950 it is also illegal in Israel.\"


Remove the first and last sentences, and what remains is a decent point IF you live in a country that also restricts research because of this rule. I can think of nothing more pathetic than the fact that people feel that Hitler was not bad enough all by himself, we have to add to the legend a silence the moronic dissidents.

(they may even have a point, but it's still pathetic)

8/18/2006 12:22:38 PM

Mister Spak

Denying the existence of something that exists is a little different than
denying the existence of something that doesn't exist.

Can you figure out which of these two things does not exist, and which does?

8/18/2006 12:35:05 PM


What Napoleon the Clown said sideways, if I may add.

8/18/2006 3:07:25 PM


as someone has pointed out, denying the holocaust (or extent of) is illegal in some countries. i think this is wrong, as it makes a certain sector of society think that there's something being hidden.

imagine if questioning evolution was illegal.

i think it's much better to allow deniers to make complete and utter fools of themselves! (more fun too!)

8/18/2006 6:20:23 PM

I agree that making Holocaust denial illegal is a bad idea, but he's saying that RESEARCH into the Holocaust is illegal. That's a completely different claim, and surely not credible.

~David D.G.

8/18/2006 6:32:41 PM


yep. I've known a few Holocaust survivors, too. Is it because people like this are so stuck in their little worlds, they've never met anyone but their own stupid small town neighbours and family, they don't believe anything that happened more than 50 miles away?

8/18/2006 8:14:55 PM

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