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Wives SUBMIT...... not OBEY is the key word.Big difference.

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sub·mit
s?b'mit/Submit
verb
1.
accept or yield to a superior force or to the authority or will of another person.
"the original settlers were forced to submit to Bulgarian rule"
synonyms: give in/way, yield, back down, cave in, capitulate; surrender, knuckle under

"she submitted under duress"
be governed by, abide by, be regulated by, comply with, accept, adhere to, be subject to, agree to, consent to, conform to
"he refused to submit to their authority"
2.
present (a proposal, application, or other document) to a person or body for consideration or judgment.
"the panel's report was submitted to a parliamentary committee"
synonyms: put forward, present, offer, proffer, tender, propose, suggest, float; put in, send in, register
"we submitted an unopposed bid"

o·bey
?'ba,o'ba/
verb
comply with the command, direction, or request of (a person or a law); submit to the authority of.
"I always obey my father"
synonyms: do what someone says, carry out someone's orders; submit to, defer to, bow to, yield to, give in to
"I was honor-bound to obey"
comply with, adhere to, observe, abide by, act in accordance with, conform to, respect, follow, keep to, stick to
"NRA activists point out that criminals don't obey gun laws"
carry out (a command or instruction).
"the officer was convicted for refusing to obey orders"
synonyms: carry out, perform, act on, execute, discharge, implement, fulfill
"he refused to obey the order"
behave in accordance with (a general principle, natural law, etc.).
"the universe was complex but it obeyed certain rules"

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One of the problems with understanding difficult things like submission is that we want exhaustive definitions where God only gives us general guidelines and descriptions. This means we have to work harder to figure out what submission is, as well as what it isn’t. It means we have to use the basic guidelines of Scripture as our starting point, and humbly submit to the Lord while He teaches us in the midst of doing it. It means we have to confront the sin that clouds our thinking. Because misunderstanding submission has enormous implications for the gospel.

Scripture is clear that submission and obedience are not the same thing, and yet there are movements within the church that proclaim the opposite, either directly through teaching or through practice. There are movements in our culture as well that believe submission and obedience are the same, the difference being how much they despise both. We have conflated these two ideas more than we’d like to admit, and history continues to testify to this. It’s not that old habits die hard, but it takes a long time to work ideas out in a culture.

One of the biggest difficulties to communicating clearly how submission and obedience are different is that they do bear some resemblance. For instance, a disciplined person’s submission can look very much like obedience. Submission and obedience also both assume that there are appropriate responses to a person in authority. But they are not the same kind of response. They exist, to use my husband’s helpful term, on a different axis.

Obedience is a response to rule. In our earthly relationships, a person under authority obeys because the rule is the focus, and the person in authority is expected to judge according to the rule. Children obey parents, soldiers their commanders, drivers the police officers, and so on. This is simply a reflection of God’s rule over His creation, and explains why parents, for example, cannot be the focus of their children’s obedience. God’s rules stand over us all.

Submission, on the other hand, is not a response to rules. Of course, it assumes that an order of authority exists because otherwise submission would be meaningless. But the focus is different. In our earthly relationships, a person under authority submits because the love of the person in authority is the focus. Wives submit to their own husbands, congregants submit to their elders, the needy submit to those who give, and so on, with love in view. It is a fine distinction, but an important one. This is a reflection of God’s love for His creation, especially of Christ’s love for the church. Christ leads the church into submission by loving and giving Himself up for her. She, in return, submits to His loving and sacrificial leadership. The focus is not on the rule of His authorityalthough it is necessarily therebut on the love in his authority.

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