God is the one who chooses our rulers. And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women and if people aren’t involved in helping godly men in getting elected than we’re going to have a nation of secular laws. That’s not what our founding fathers intended and that’s certainly isn’t what God intended.
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Oh there's a 'non contradiction award'. Shit lady, make up your mind, either 'he' chooses them or 'he' doesn't!
So are you suggesting 'God' rigs the preselection ballots?
Why did God choose Nixon and Clinton just out of interest?
God is the one who chooses our rulers.
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if people aren’t involved in helping godly men in getting elected
Does god need our help? Wow, I feel powerful now.
solomongrundy, I think the whole divine right thing was basically thrown out (or at least heavily played down) a while back, maybe as far as the English civil war, although I could be wrong. (Not a historian, didn't study that period - somebody knowledgable please help me out).
Besides, everyone's always known the divine right thing was a load of bullshit. The person with the biggest army gets to be king, end of story. They usually spout the divine right thing after the fact by claiming that the righteous army will have won by God's grace, or something like that - I think this argument worked best when they had really inaccurate muskets, so whoever got the most enemy kills did it by an act of god. I have a feeling that's one of the reasons the British got so pissed off when the American rebels started using accurate rifles instead...
It's obvious nobody in authority actually believed the whole "righteous army will win" thing, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered to always make sure theirs was better trained and more numerous than the enemy's anyway!
we’re going to have a nation of secular laws. That’s not what our founding fathers intended
You might want to take a closer look at the Constitution, the Treaty of Tripoli, and pretty much every writing by the Founding Fathers you can get your hands on.
Well, if God chooses our leaders, why do we still vote?
If God doesn't allow chance, that means he meant my last character to have 5 18s and a 17! Yeah! The DM had better allow him now, because I have a divine right to stats that high!
God is the one who chooses our rulers. And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women and if people aren’t involved in helping godly men in getting elected than we’re going to have a nation of secular laws."
So what ... God chooses the rulers, but we choose the rulers? Clear as mud.
"...than we’re going to have a nation of secular laws. That’s not what our founding fathers intended and that’s certainly isn’t what God intended."
*headdesk*
Apparently, she's a congresswoman and is now running for the U.S. Senate.
*headdesk*
Non-Contradiction Award, Alternate Bizarro Universe Award, or History Revisionist Award each would be applicable to this post. Way to cover the bases!
And g-21-lto, if you're serious about her actually being a politician, I have just gone from disgusted to downright appalled. That would be as crazy as a professional geologist being a flat-Earther and/or a YEC believer.
~David D.G.
The bitch is running for election to Congress.
Not exactly. She already a US Representative. She running for the Senate, attempting to unseat Democratic senator Bill Nelson.
All of the Republican candidates for the Senate and Governor (Jeb Bush is out after this year due to term limits) sound a bit like this. None of the Floridian Republican candidates support the separation of church and state; they're all right-wing religious nutjobs. Harris just has the biggest mouth of the lot.
"God is the one who chooses our rulers."
According to the Babble, that is true. It's hard to believe that GWB, Dick, Rummy and Brownie were "God's" choices. Of course, by your own logic, it means that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barney Frank and Barbara Boxer were all selected by "God," too.
"And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women and if people aren’t involved in helping godly men in getting elected than we’re going to have a nation of secular laws."
Why does your omnipotent "God" need your help to get his choices elected? Maybe, "God" doesn't exist and those choices are actually YOUR choices. Yeah, that sounds right.
We are SUPPOSED to be a nation of secular laws. That was one of the most important tenets of the founding fathers of the United States.
"That’s not what our founding fathers intended and that’s certainly isn’t what God intended."
You obviously have a very poor grasp of your own nation's history. Read up on Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Ben Franklin, James Madison and, though I know you'll hate it, Thomas Paine. Look up Deism. Read up on the Enlightenment.
P.S. I couldn't care less what you think your imaginary friend intended.
Brain_In_A_Jar wrote:
solomongrundy, I think the whole divine right thing was basically thrown out (or at least heavily played down) a while back, maybe as far as the English civil war, although I could be wrong. (Not a historian, didn't study that period - somebody knowledgable please help me out).
It's true that the Royalists don't talk about it very much any more, but such status as the British monarchy have is still held by 'Divine right of Kings'. They claim descent from the Biblical King David (the present Queen is supposedly the 144th generation removed), and Prince Charles will be ordained to the throne by the Archbishop of Canterbury: the royal motto 'Dieu Et Mon Droit' translates to 'God and my (birth)right'.
Admittedly, Prince Charles has said that he wishes to be titled 'Defender of faith', rather than 'Defender of the faith' when (if) he becomes king, (although it would be contrary to the Coronation Act 1688). How he could spin this so as to not conflict with his being head of the Church of England remains to be seen ;-)
'Treaty of Tripoli bitch' seconded. You want to lead and you don't even know the history of your own country?
A nation of secular laws? OH NO! Laws based on reality, rights, needs and freedoms, and not of an ancient cult? Has the world gone mad?
Reading her words and picturing her cronish face in my head at the same time is making me physically ill. I think my lunch is backing up into my throat. *urp*
Yes, God wants submission, but also wants leaders to be godly. The same God who ordains leaders, as opposed to directly choosing them, can also see them out.
"God is the one who chooses our rulers," such statements are another reason I hate the King James Bible. It wasn't long after the KJV that The Divine Right of Kings was published.
Vote for Katherine Harris! If she wins:
She'll take away your right to vote
And make you join an ancient cult.
You may not work if it's Sunday
And you'll be killed for being gay.
"God chooses rulers!" Kathy raves.
"Plus, he lets us beat our slaves!"
Atheists are a waste of breath!
If you disagree, you're put to death.
We don't need science! Jesus saves!
Forget your house! Go live in caves!
Girls leave your thoughts upon the shelf.
Women can't work! (Except myself.)
All scientists will go to hell!
Since they'd destroy a single cell.
If I had power, I would see
That nobody is ever free.
So why should we support this clod?
Because she was ordained by God!
(© Maronan 2006. All rights reserved, blah, blah, blah. Don't sell my work for your own profit, and don't please don't republish it without citation.) (Am I the only person who puts copyright notices on his Internet work?)
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