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Now are you stating that there was no global flood??? Is there any part of the Bible that you DO believe??? Of course there was a global flood, and scientific evidence is proving this more and more all the time. You know those layers that were supposed to take millions of years each to form? Well, they realize now that that's not the case. If there was even 10 years in between, they would see evidence of insects and other small animals burrowed under each level. They would also see signs of erosion in between the layers. Guess what? They find NEITHER ONE. The only conclusion they can possibly come up with is a global flood. All the different types of minerals and everything else was caught up in this flood and slowly began to settle to the ground, the heaviest minerals first on through to the lightest. It's like mixing oil and water.

KennethDCollins, Bibleforums.org 21 Comments [8/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Tim Wilkins

So we find heavy minerals and fossils on top of layers of sandstone because...?

8/27/2006 2:51:50 PM

Papabear

\"Now are you stating that there was no global flood???\"

I am stating clearly that there was no global flood. The Bible Flood story is a sham, and a poor one at that.


\"Is there any part of the Bible that you DO believe???\"

There are several parts that I think are good. The Golden Rule is a good idea, though it appears in other traditions which predate Xianity. Some of Proverbs is good. There are some other parts I like as well.


\"Of course there was a global flood, and scientific evidence is proving this more and more all the time.\"

No, that is not correct. Don't rely on the Creation Research people for clear, unbiased evidence.


\"You know those layers that were supposed to take millions of years each to form? Well, they realize now that that's not the case.\"

Who realizes this? Certainly not the vast majority of trained geologists.


\"If there was even 10 years in between, they would see evidence of insects and other small animals burrowed under each level. They would also see signs of erosion in between the layers. Guess what? They find NEITHER ONE.\"

Says who? You?


\"The only conclusion they can possibly come up with is a global flood.\"

Do not presume to tell me what conclusions I can and cannot draw from the evidence (or lack of evidence). The global flood story is patently ridiculous.


\"All the different types of minerals and everything else was caught up in this flood and slowly began to settle to the ground, the heaviest minerals first on through to the lightest. It's like mixing oil and water.\"

Riiiight. That's why Uranium is always found and only found in the deepest mines, always below lead and gold. And, gold is never found on the surface, like, say, in streams. When one looks down at the surface of the earth one only sees lithium and other light elements.[/sarcasm]

8/27/2006 3:15:57 PM

g-21-lto

\"Of course there was a global flood, and scientific evidence is proving this more and more all the time.\"

O RLY? (Where's that owl when you need him?)

\"there was even 10 years in between, they would see evidence of insects and other small animals burrowed under each level.\"

Burrows, he says?

\"They would also see signs of erosion in between the layers.\"

Like this, maybe?

\"Guess what? They find NEITHER ONE. The only conclusion they can possibly come up with is a global flood.\"

My sed/strat prof didn't mention anything about this. Apparently my education has been wasted.

\"All the different types of minerals and everything else was caught up in this flood and slowly began to settle to the ground, the heaviest minerals first on through to the lightest. It's like mixing oil and water.\"

Here's a stratigraphic column of the grand canyon area. Note that there are instances of all types of sediments -- shale (mud, clay) and sand and even chemical sediments (i.e. the limestones) throughout the column.

8/27/2006 3:19:14 PM

Incubusion

What scientific proof? Just because you claim it exists doesn't mean it does. In fact, the scientif proof DOESN'T prove it.

What about the Native Americans? I don't remember hearing much about a global flood in their mythology.

8/27/2006 3:31:00 PM

Mister Spak

Thats because they're heathen pagans.

8/27/2006 4:24:16 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

I belive the title - in most instances, it does indeed prove to be a \"book\".

8/27/2006 4:43:51 PM

David D.G.

Oh, this is painful. I really hate it when a couple of crackpots write inane distortions of reality, and then some fundie comes along and says, \"SEE, SCIENTISTS HAVE PROVED THAT SCIENCE IS WRONG AND THE BIBLE IS RIGHT! WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT?!?\" And he not only can't see the flaws in the assertions of his silly book, but cannot see the outlandish contradiction in his own assertion -- namely, that \"science has proved\" something, thus completely discrediting science. It's just heartbreaking -- not to mention mindbreaking.


~David D.G.

8/27/2006 5:09:14 PM

Anna Ghislaine

As a geology student, this is painful to read.

8/27/2006 5:30:28 PM

Gadren

Ah, yes...the group of knowledgable and innovative individuals known as They...

8/27/2006 5:49:32 PM

Napoleon the Clown

I'm sorry, paleantologists across the world disagree.

8/27/2006 6:39:47 PM

ABeastOfPrey

These guys seemingly forget that the Noah's Flood story borrows heavily from a part of the Gilgamesh epic.

Also, don't insects decompose completely rather quickly, since they have no bones or other parts solid enough for decomposing organisms to leave behind?

8/27/2006 7:45:55 PM

Wolf O'Donnell (SWHQ)

Creation Research stuff never gets published, because it's complete bullshit. Try again.

8/27/2006 8:46:00 PM

Alex W.

\"and scientific evidence is proving this more and more all the time.\"

When he says 'scientific evidence' he probably means 'my youth pastor telling me so'.

8/27/2006 11:37:42 PM

Libkitten

Who realizes that is the case?

I hate vague \"they's.\"

8/28/2006 12:37:58 AM

David D.G.

\"Now are you stating that there was no global flood??? Is there any part of the Bible that you DO believe???\"


Another thing that just dumbfounds me is that in this comment, he implies that he considers the alleged flood to be one of the more believable tales in the Bible!

The richest part about that is that we have so much real, physical evidence to disprove the alleged global flood -- not just to call it into question, not just to say that it is illogical, but solid evidence to show that it just was not so.

So he, like his fellow YECs, has the nerve to try to turn that on its head and just ignore what the evidence actually shows. It's infuriating.


~David D.G.

8/28/2006 4:03:13 AM

Julian

Oh my God!

They've brainwashed Kenny!

YOU BASTARDS!

8/28/2006 6:51:15 AM

Redhunter

\"Now are you stating that there was no global flood???\"

Is that three questions? Then let me say, yes, yes and yes again.

Freddie: Hey, gang, let's pull off kennethDCollins' mask and see who the real criminal is.....

(Pulls off mask)

(Everyone in unison) \"IT's Old Man HOVIND!\"

8/28/2006 7:29:57 AM

Coffee

Whenever a poster credits \"They\" as the source of his facts, I know he's completely believable.

8/28/2006 12:01:29 PM

John

Well, they realize now that that's not the case. If there was even 10 years in between, they would see evidence of insects and other small animals burrowed under each level. They would also see signs of erosion in between the layers. Guess what? They find NEITHER ONE.

What is this guy smoking? The statement that they've found neither one is just flat out wrong. They've found both interlayer erosion and fossils between the layers. The Grand Canyon even has an exhibit on the subject of interlayer erosion. Fundies, of course, claim these erosions took place rapidly (they don't deny they exist) but then again, fundies claim the speed of light must have changed, and other wacko theories designed to salvage their young-earth nosense.

8/28/2006 1:55:00 PM

Archangel_Lucifer

This reminds me of one I saw a while back where the guy claimed god had a dial to change the speed of light. Thus proving that light from 14.6 billion light years away could have reached us in 6000.
It boggles the mind.

9/13/2006 1:46:41 AM

That_Guy

It's like mixing stupid and ignorant

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