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But he is also called "the Prince of the Power of the Air" (Eph. ii, 2). This principality would seem be the same as "the heavenly places"---our version incorrectly translates "high places" (Eph. vi. 12)---which, as Paul tells us, swarm with the spiritual hosts of wickedness. It is by no means necessary to restrict it to the eighty or a hundred miles of atmosphere supposed to surround the earth: for if Satan's power extends to the sun, as we suggested above, and so to the whole of out solar system, the kingdom of the air would include the immense space in which the planets of our centre revolve: and in such a case it seems not unlikely that the throne of its prince may be situated in the photosphere of the sun. We should thus find a deep underlying significance in the face that idolatry had always commenced with, and in no small degree consisted of, the worship of the Sun-god, whether he be called San, Shamas, Bel, Ra, Baal, Moloch, Milcom, Hadad, Adram-melch and Anamelch, Mithras, Apollo, Sheikh Shems, or by any other of his innhumerable names.

G H Pember, Earth's Earliest Ages 21 Comments [8/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Napoleon the Clown

WTF?!

8/28/2006 3:18:22 AM

David D.G.

You left out Aten, bub -- the very first god to be the focus of monotheism. Don't dis the Egyptians; their religion was millennia old when the predecessor of yours was just getting started.

Sheesh, this is a mess. For starters, if you decide that \"air\" is no longer a requirement for the \"kingdom of the air,\" then why put the boundary of Satan's kingdom at the Oort cloud? Heck, it could well extend to the entire universe -- and if you allow that this may be so, you then open yourself up to an awful lot of much bigger questions about the respective natures of Satan and God.

For another thing, this business about Satan setting up shop in the center of our sun -- look, let me put this delicately: That's nuts.


~David D.G.

8/28/2006 3:47:40 AM

Redhunter

\"our version incorrectly translates \"high places\" \"

Well, that's a start. Now if you can fix the parts about Mary being a virgin instead of 'young woman', \"land of the dead\" and \"the grave\" meaning eternal hellfire, and the parts where jesus (Rev, 22:16) and satan (issiah 14:12)have the same name, you'd be on the right track.


8/28/2006 5:33:58 AM

Julian


Odd considering that 'Hell' was ripped from different sources, all of which were subterreanean and didn't mention five million degree temperatures in the corona of \"the greater light to rule the day\", (as opposed to the moon - \"the lesser light to rule the night\") due to magnetic separator reconnection as part of simple resistive magnetohydrodynamics or the gravational effects being 28 times that on Earth.

(And what David said)

8/28/2006 5:52:11 AM

ProperJob

Gaah! Whenever I read that, I see it as \"the Prince of Bel Air\". I need to stop watching TV.

8/28/2006 6:56:55 AM

moog

G H Pember failed to include Cthugha in his list, and will now suffer it's wrath!

8/28/2006 9:40:55 AM

Gargoyle

Pember is a fruitcake, thats for sure. He should take his pills...

8/28/2006 10:34:24 AM

Luffy

Yeah, Satan is the one who makes it possible for all our lives to be sustained. What the fuck?

8/28/2006 12:17:18 PM

Mister Spak

This makes a kind of insane sense.

8/28/2006 12:30:31 PM

David D.G.

Thanks for the details, Julian. I just didn't feel that it was worth getting technical on him, so I went with the Reader's Digest version.


~David D.G.

8/28/2006 2:22:13 PM

Papabear

\"'But he is also called \"the Prince of the Power of the Air'\" (Eph. ii, 2). This principality would seem be the same as \"the heavenly places\"---our version incorrectly translates \"high places\" (Eph. vi. 12)---which, as Paul tells us, swarm with the spiritual hosts of wickedness.\"

Ephesians is one of the epistles attributed to Paul, which most serious bible scholars agree was NOT written by Paul.


\"It is by no means necessary to restrict it to the eighty or a hundred miles of atmosphere supposed to surround the earth: for if Satan's power extends to the sun, as we suggested above, and so to the whole of out solar system, the kingdom of the air would include the immense space in which the planets of our centre revolve: and in such a case it seems not unlikely that the throne of its prince may be situated in the photosphere of the sun.\"

So, this is another case of \"I know that's what the Bible SAYS, but that's not what it MEANS,\" eh? \"God's\" choice of words was \"of the air,\" but he really meant whatever you want it to mean?


\"We should thus find a deep underlying significance in the face that idolatry had always commenced with, and in no small degree consisted of, the worship of the Sun-god, whether he be called San, Shamas, Bel, Ra, Baal, Moloch, Milcom, Hadad, Adram-melch and Anamelch, Mithras, Apollo, Sheikh Shems, or by any other of his innhumerable names.\"

Or Jesus. The Jesus myth has many commonalities with the tales of these sun-gods.

8/28/2006 4:32:54 PM

Berny

This book was written over 100 years ago. The fact that many fundies are buying it on Amazon and finding it \"current\" says more about fundies than it does the book.
G. H. Pember wrote as though the Bible was the only text to be trusted on the matter of the origins of the universe, the solar system, man, et. al. But this was 1876.
Science has come a loooong way in 130 years, but I guess not for some people.

8/28/2006 4:36:18 PM

el nico

is this a quoatation from a lovecraft book? or maybe a comic book?

8/28/2006 6:09:12 PM

NJ Osprey

\"We should thus find a deep underlying significance in the face that idolatry had always commenced with, and in no small degree consisted of, the worship of the Sun-god, whether he be called San, Shamas, Bel, Ra.....\"

Here's to the Sun God.
He's such a fun god.
Ra! Ra! Ra!

8/28/2006 8:10:51 PM

Julian

No worries D.D.G., I'd been itching to drop \"simple resistive magnetohydrodynamic theory\" in on this board since I read about it the other day.

The sad thing is your average fundy skull is so dense a ton of brinks like that will simply bounce off.

8/29/2006 12:07:47 AM

EJ

Surely this is another Morris sighting? I could SWEAR I've read this in The Genesis Record somewhere. If only I hadn't burned my copy...

9/1/2006 9:48:49 PM

Old Viking

Sounds about right to me.

9/3/2006 2:13:10 AM

Jjaro Maronan

I believe that even primitive peoples such as the humans on Earth possess a some degree of knowledge about the W'rkncacnter. G H Pember knows of a being of great power trapped in a star's gravity, although he calls this being \"Satan.\"

Of course, it would seem that there's a W'rkncacnter on your planet already; he's in Mexico, buried under a pyramid that is neither Aztec nor Mayan.

(Cookie for anyone who gets the reference.)

9/10/2006 6:41:54 AM

Andrew Nagy

Weren't your guys supposed to take care of that, like, ten <i>years</i> ago?

8/18/2007 9:13:30 PM

Gjervan

"But he is also called "the Prince of the Power of the Air""
I read that first as "But he is also called "the Prince of Bel-Air"", and thought "Will Smith is Black Jesus? O_o"

2/9/2008 6:18:17 PM

Fresh Kaboodle of Scotland

"the Prince of the Power of the Air"

Did anyone think of the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air when they saw that?

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