Quote# 14313

(In response to the discussion topic of 'would you forgive a murderer?')

I'd offer my forgiveness (and reminder to him that he's going to hell anyway) about 10 seconds before the state flipped the switch executing him. Then I'd say a prayer of thanks to God for his execution and have a big old party celebrating it. That's how we Christians in Alabama handle forgiveness.

Gene, WorldMagBlog 42 Comments [8/28/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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So, basically, when you know you're going to get revenge on them...doesn't that therefore defeat the object of forgiveness?

8/28/2006 8:37:08 PM


Well, remind me not to go to Alambama.

8/28/2006 8:41:54 PM


Who Would Jesus Kill?

8/28/2006 8:54:33 PM


Gene does not understand forgiveness, but then I doubt if any Christians in Alabama do.

8/28/2006 9:00:37 PM


Alabama: America's asscrack.

8/28/2006 9:23:35 PM


Good one, Zipperback. I was going to say if you want to give the U.S. and enema, you'd stick it in Alabama.

or Texas

or maybe Arkansas

8/28/2006 9:32:58 PM


Yeah, I hear that Jesus dude had the greatest forgive em and fry em parties back in the day.

8/28/2006 9:38:37 PM


Annnnnd that's how you Christians in Alabama essentially re-write 90% of everything Christ said and taught.

8/28/2006 9:45:09 PM


I'll take that as a \"No.\" You don't forgive.

I wouldn't forgive a murderer either, unless some kind of miracle happens and the person I forgive is no longer really that murderer anymore. (For example, if a sudden and permanent brain chemistry change made him a new, less murderous person.) Even then it would be more of a recognition that retributive justice would be mis-aimed at this new innocent, rather than be an act of actual forgiveness.

I just don't forgive the truly guilty. (A crime forgiven is justice denied.) But at least I don't pretend to hold a supposedly virtuous attitude about this that I don't actually hold.

8/28/2006 9:45:32 PM


That's how we Christians in Alabama handle forgiveness.

Not at all, in other words.

\"I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.\"

(Granted, I'm not a big fan of forgiving someone of first-degree murder. Negligent homicide is one thing, but premeditated murder should be a one-strike-and-you're-out crime. Anything less than a life sentence is too little.)

8/28/2006 9:48:37 PM


\"That's how we Christians in Alabama handle forgiveness.\"

Then there are no real Christians in Alabama.

8/28/2006 9:53:20 PM

David D.G.

A simple \"No\" would have been sufficient -- but, admittedly, not as colorful.

~David D.G.

8/28/2006 10:03:05 PM


There's no mouse heaven!

Seriously, what kind of vindictive, egomaniacal sicko would make the effort to get the boot in and crow one last time before someone's executed in a damn unpleasant way? Personally, I doubt I could ever feel anything resembling joy or happiness at the death of another human being, even an immoral one whose execution I agreed had to be done - merely sadness that a human life had ended, and that its potential, even if it had declined beyond hope decades earlier, had finally vanished altogether.

Why thank God for the execution, by the way? God sure didn't strap the guy into the chair and attach heavy duty electrodes to him. If you're going to thank somebody, thank the state of Alabama for doing things the way you obviously like to see them done.

8/28/2006 10:18:26 PM


Gene is such a breath of fresh air, isn't he?

8/28/2006 10:22:05 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Well that's sure following Jesus' teachings.[/sarcasm]

8/28/2006 10:55:52 PM


Dang Gene - and you wonder why Alabammy's the butt of everyone's jokes.

8/29/2006 12:04:08 AM


Wow, Gene.

8/29/2006 1:17:25 AM


Gene - trying to reclassify himself as junk DNA.

8/29/2006 1:30:27 AM


Another reason why I'm getting the fuck out of this state.

8/29/2006 1:51:35 AM

Mister Spak

\"That's how we Christians in Alabama handle forgiveness.\"

Those christians in Alabama sound a lot like like those muslims in the Taliban.
Maybe it really is the same god.

8/29/2006 1:52:16 AM


I wonder if this guy would hold a kegger in front of Jesus as he died slowly on the cross?

8/29/2006 3:53:04 AM


Hey gene, give the murderer a big 'ole kiss on the mouth when they countdown to 'one' alright?

Gene: \"A course, it ain't like back in my grandpappy's day when we'd just string 'em up from the nearest tree, then we'd go back in the morning after we'd sobered up and see if he was guilty er not.\"


8/29/2006 6:02:20 AM


Julian - great comment.
DragonScholar - great image.

I can understand this fundie attitude; it lines up with their fantasy of enjoying themeselves in Heaven while the damned are suffering torture in Hell.

More and more I think religious fundamentalism should be classified as a mental illness. These people are sick.

8/29/2006 12:10:29 PM


Christ said go and don´t sin any more, and whoever is free from sin, throw the first stone, but, well, if in Alabama they are happy being so mean, they´d better be Alabama people, not Christian.

8/29/2006 3:36:18 PM


Ah, so you celebrate human sacrifice and believe that no one can ever be redeemed.

I may be in disagreement with the rest of FSTDT here, but I don't think any crime (even murder) should carry a mandatory life sentence in all cases. What would you think if you went to a prison and saw a harmless 85-year-old man who had been there since he was 19, when he killed a friend in a fit of rage?

Yes, he killed someone. This is not a minor crime that should be taken lightly. Nonetheless, he has already served over 60 years in prison, and is highly unlikely to commit another crime. He probably regretted killing his friend as soon as he calmed down from his rage. Why should he lose his whole life because of that one mistake?

Of course, the death penalty is outrageous in any case; we don't want to give the government the power to kill, we'd end up killing innocent people, and the death penalty is not an effective deterrent, making it merely a form of primitive bloodthirsty revenge.

Actually celebrating someone's execution is simply despicable.

9/10/2006 7:28:04 AM

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