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(Note: This is part of a formal debate)

Euthanasia is suicide and sucide is indeed selfish. Suicide is focusing solely on your own circumstances and on your own pain to the degree that you don't want to put up with life anymore. Its the crowning achievement of selfishness.

Everyone lives with pain, so at some point you must force some people to live in pain. Pain is something that defines living and life, therefore every life will contain some pain.

Even if you accept your premise, there must be an amount of pain that is not justified and an amount of pain that is. Getting sunburn for you non-black people is painful, yet we would agree that sunburn is no justification for euthanasia. At some point there has to be a distinguishment between pain you have to live with and pain that justifies euthanasia even if we accept all of your previous arguments.

Secondly, there is a social duty to live if you in fact have social duties to fulfill. There have been many tales of soldiers who could have given up on life but instead lived through excruciating pain to fulfill some social obligation. The runner of Marathon comes to mind. So even then there are some cases that there is a social obligation.

Thirdly, wallowing in self pity to the point where you focus solely on your pain rather than anything else once again points out the selfish nature of suicide. Sucide focuses solely on the person who contemplates or does it, and hardly anyone else without the prism of "me, me, me".

baconbits, Naruto Forums 59 Comments [8/28/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen
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shell

I smell someone who has never felt real pain.

Also? Dude, black people get sunburns too.

8/28/2006 8:31:46 PM

CousinTed

I want to punch you in the face baconbits.

8/28/2006 8:37:03 PM

Bone_Vulture

Sunburn = cause for euthanasia?

If karma exists, baconbits is going to experience a terminal case of cancer at some point of his life.

8/28/2006 9:08:08 PM

E.H.

\"Everyone lives with pain, so at some point you must force some people to live in pain.\"

The god this fundy believes in surely must be one helluva sadistic deity. Suffer under a particular sort of pain or you will wind up with suffering for eternity. believing in such a morbid god and maintaining mental sanity are mutually exclusive.

8/28/2006 9:09:28 PM

Zipperback

Kill those selfish suicidal bastards!

8/28/2006 9:21:47 PM

offput

Yes, suicide is selfish. But telling them that will just add one more thing to their list of reasons to kill themselves so shush...

Sunburn: not worth killing yourself over
Succeeding in getting the armies of your powerful neighbour Sparta onto your side in time to stop the invading Persians: not worth killing yourself over
Being depressed because no-one likes you: It happens and sometimes it gets the best of you; it's also probably not worth killing yourself over but for every \"probably\" there are exceptions.

But then again it's their choice and trying to force your preferences on them is equally selfish because it implies a moral superiority and haughtiness on \"you, you, you.\"

8/28/2006 9:35:44 PM

JustinGG

I stayed out in the sun too long, now I have to kill myself.

8/28/2006 9:36:28 PM

Sandman

I suppose you can make the argument that suicide/euthanasia is a selfish act, someone placing their own desires above those of others. But can't you also make the reverse argument? That someone who forces another to continue to live in pain is doing the exact same thing?

8/28/2006 9:44:29 PM

David D.G.

I know that formal debates often have people arguing positions that they don't actually espouse personally. That said, however, this is a pretty darned feeble argument, whether the poster believes in it or not. I expect that the opposition should be able to euthanize this argument pretty easily.


~David D.G.

8/28/2006 9:53:34 PM

Amos

This guy has no idea who euthanasia is even for. Sunburn, the pain soldiers face, and runner burn are all short-term pains. Just wait and it's gone. If you can just go back to your life, this procedure isn't for you. And what the hell kind of social duties can the old, enfeebled, and crippled with pain perform?!

Ignorant asshole, call me when your pain receptors are all hitting the red without end for the rest of your natural life, no cure in sight. You've practically said, \"Walk it off, you selfish pig! Get yourself up on those weak bones that are constantly breaking and get to work helping your community. There are some people out there that are troubled!\"

8/28/2006 10:01:54 PM

bobo

Wow my incurable cancer causes indescribable pain every moment I’m not barfing my guts out, but Johnny really want me to run that marathon so his school can have new football helmets…maybe I’ll kill myself tomorrow…I have social obligations.

8/28/2006 10:16:47 PM

Nekhbet

Oh please get a paper cut so I can put you out of your misery.

8/28/2006 10:19:43 PM

dykitty

One wonders how baconbits would feel if he were rotting from the inside out with some form of cancer.

8/28/2006 10:20:25 PM

Skaloop

Didn't God technically kill himself?

8/28/2006 10:25:15 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Baconbits, euthanasia is intended for the terminally ill. Those who are only a drag on their family, friends, and society. It isn't for some angsty teen.

Yes, Skaloop, technically, He did.

8/28/2006 10:57:40 PM

Hadanelith

NtC: If and only if you accept the Trinity. Otherwise, God killed his own son, which makes him even more of an asshole.

8/29/2006 12:22:07 AM

Libkitten

Tell us how you feel when you're one month away from dying from cancer and your body is literally eating itself away. Let's see how self-righteous you are then.

True selfishness is forcing or guilting someone you love into staying alive for your sake even though they can barely stand to make it through the day.

8/29/2006 1:19:47 AM

Mr. Turquoise

Sorry, I couldn't bring myself to read anything beyond \"distinguishment\". Seeing people try to sound intelligent while using \"words\" like that makes me want to kill myself...

And of course, one cannot liken the intractable pain of end-stage cancer to a sunburn. Period.

Mr. Turquoise

8/29/2006 1:35:23 AM

Winston Jen

Sorry, I couldn't bring myself to read anything beyond \"distinguishment\". Seeing people try to sound intelligent while using \"words\" like that makes me want to kill myself...

Well, baconbits is in love with Bush and the Republican party. Maybe that's why he uses those words. ;)

8/29/2006 1:46:03 AM

Julian

Secondly, there is a social duty to live if you in fact have social duties to fulfill. There have been many tales of soldiers who could have given up on life but instead lived through excruciating pain to fulfill some social obligation. The runner of Marathon comes to mind. So even then there are some cases that there is a social obligation.

Hey Dickhead, he was merely reporting a battle was lost, he could've gone AWOL and they would've worked it out in the end anyway. He also dropped dead - how terribly selfish of him.

Yes there does need to be a line - very good of you to realise it. That's why people advocate it in RARE and JUSTIFIABLE circumstances.

8/29/2006 1:46:06 AM

Julian

Can someone bitch-slap baconbits to death? It should only take a few weeks - we'll do it in shifts.

8/29/2006 1:47:21 AM

Winston Jen

This is my reply to bacon so far.

Itfs an individual choice. You should not be setting limits, the individual should. Itfs their life. They should be able to determine whether it is worth living or not.

Therefs a difference between a duty readily accepted and a duty that is forced onto others, which is exactly what you are doing. You are essentially advocating slavery and torture.

Ah, but isnft that the whole premise of conservatism? gME ME ME! I donft care about your rights! Let corporations do whatever they want!h Yes, itfs a stereotype, but it matches your stereotype. Being selfish is not illegal, and as far as the economy goes, it is encouraged.

Your premise seems to be based on the idea that life is always better than death. This is clearly false, because if life was always worth living, no one would commit suicide.




Does anyone have any suggestions or additions? :)

8/29/2006 3:02:17 AM

David D.G.

Well, Winston Jen, my first suggestion right now is that you consider taking out any use of apostrophes, because whatever font you're using seems to get them messed up here.

My second suggestion is that you reconsider your closing remark; some people believe ancient superstitions even though they're irrational, and just because some people decide to commit suicide does not mean that it is always a rational decision. I know what you're getting at, but I think you need to nail that point down a little better.


~David D.G.

8/29/2006 4:41:56 AM

Redhunter

Talk about selfish, how about some jerk-off who seems to have intimate knowledge of everybody's pain and decides whether it is bad enough to wish for death?

What a surprise, someone talking about something they know nothing of.

baconshit, why do you think people commit suicide? To piss you off? To piss god off? Because it's the ultimate thrill? NO FUCKO! It's because, for one type of pain over another, life has ceased to keep one in the black. I had a friend who could never understand suicide. He said, \"there isn't anything so bad that I would kill myself over. THose people are stupid.\" I told him obviously they have felt much worse pain than you ever have. Just because one isn't suffering from cancer, mental illness such as depression and bi-polar disorders, or suffered incredible loss doesn't give them a reason to speak for others. How selfish to think you speak for everyone. Of course, this was the same 'friend' who decided that he would've rather worked on September 12, 2001 because as he put it, \"Who cares? I didn't know anybody that died.\" That callousness showed me exactly why he thought as he did about suicide; he cares so little for his wife, kids, friends, family and mankind in general, that as long as he was alive, there was nothing to get worked up over. So tell me, who is selfish? The guy who can't handle the pain of mental and physical breakdown, or someone who entirely does not give a fuck about anyone else in the world?

8/29/2006 5:55:47 AM

Winston Jen

Yeah, I think that might be because I'm writing a draft in Word, and I included all the formatting changes for the forum.

I'll consider changing the final statement in that portion of the rebuttal. Should I mention the number of people who are over 80 and commit suicide, not to mention those with cancer, in order to avoid the pain?

8/29/2006 7:36:24 AM
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