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[In an article, headlined "Science Friction," that deals with politicians' views on issues of stem cell research and evolution:]

[Mike] Jenkins falls back on the argument that because evolution is a theory, it has yet to be proved. He believes that any class that includes evolution should also include creationism.

Jenkins says that depending on how you count years, the Earth could simultaneously be 10,000 years old and 4.8 billion years old.

"I think you can combine the two," Jenkins says. "Being extreme in either way is bad. I think you have to look at it and say, this is possible. It could be 10,000 years, or it could be 10 billion years. Don't be absolute and finite. You have to look at this with a scientific mind."

Mike Jenkins, Tucson Weekly 30 Comments [8/28/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: David D.G.
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answeris42

4.5 billion years isn't an extreme, it's a scientific fact.

No, you can't combine the two, despite your feeble attempts to reconcile a 2000 year old myth with science. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

8/29/2006 12:09:28 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Rocks.

8/29/2006 12:17:36 AM

Hadanelith

Go learn the scientific definition of a theory, then come back. Idiot.

8/29/2006 12:19:33 AM

Amos

Don't be absolute and finite. You have to look at this with a scientific mind.
Don't be scientific, but be scientific?

8/29/2006 12:21:20 AM

Sandman

Ah. Schroedinger's Cat as Planetary Science. Interesting.

8/29/2006 12:38:11 AM

CousinTed

Okay, we'll combine the two: The Universe is 4,800,010,000 years old.

8/29/2006 12:38:35 AM

Julian

Ok ten thousand vs ten billion is SIX orders of magnitude! One motherfucking million!

Your mind is so open, your reason fell out the back a long time ago and you're still happily barrelling down the information superhighway with your foot to the floor.

8/29/2006 1:14:55 AM

Julian

Jenkins says that depending on how you count years, the Earth could simultaneously be 10,000 years old and 4.8 billion years old
Oh, there's Sidereal years (365.256363051 days) and Julian years (365.25) and Tropical years (365.24218967 days) and a whole host of others, but buddy - nothing that'll turn 10,000 into 5 billion. GIVE UP!

8/29/2006 1:21:10 AM

Chan

And depending on how we count experience points, you can have both a 1st-level n00b and someone who can tear apart the multiverse and kick the Lady of Pain out of Sigil! On one character sheet!

8/29/2006 1:21:29 AM

Patches

\"When two opposing opinions are equally strongly expressed, the truth may not necessarily lie somewhere in the middle. One side may simply be wrong.\"

8/29/2006 1:26:16 AM

CousinTed

To compliment Patches point, I present this comic strip:


8/29/2006 1:28:19 AM

Mister Spak

Or the universe could be elventy jillion years old.

8/29/2006 1:35:58 AM

Abysses

Well whats the scientific evidence for 10,000 year old earth creationism theory? Wasn't there a Creationism theory with a 6,000 year old earth?

8/29/2006 2:03:43 AM

David D.G.

This guy is so smugly disingenuous (and/or stubbornly ignorant) that he just makes me want to scream.

Oh, and he's one of several Republican hopefuls for office, by the way -- Congressional Representative, I gather. Political fundies are getting extremely bold about touting their insane beliefs nowadays. I hope it works just well enough that they don't abandon the policy completely, driving them underground, but backfires enough that they lose majorities in Congress (and in lots of state and local legislatures, too).

I'm beginning to seriously fantasize about the Democratic Party seizing on this schism between faith and science and running on a national \"Back to Reason\" platform. It's a pipe dream, of course, but it's a nice one.


~David D.G.

8/29/2006 2:37:15 AM

Papabear

\"\"I think you can combine the two,\" Jenkins says. \"Being extreme in either way is bad. I think you have to look at it and say, this is possible.\"

There are issues on which one cannot compromise. If I say that 2 + 2 = 4 and you say that 2 + 2 = 6, we are no better off if we agree that it is 5.


\"It could be 10,000 years,\"

No, it most assuredly cannot be but 10,000 years old.


\"or it could be 10 billion years.\"

No, I think the current best scientific assessment is that the universe is about 15 billion years old and the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Notice that neither of these figures is 10,000 nor 10 billion.


\"Don't be absolute and finite.\"

Is that what you tell your doctors? \"Hey, Doc, take out my tonsils, or my wisdom teeth, or my liver. Just be sure you take something, OK?\"


\"You have to look at this with a scientific mind.\"

Yes, it would be good if you would start doing that.

8/29/2006 3:22:44 AM

Crosis

Jenkins says that depending on how you count years, the Earth could simultaneously be 10,000 years old and 4.8 billion years old.


The only way this makes sense is if one means \"365.25 24-hour periods\" and the other means \"trips around the Sun\", and the Earth's angular speed with respect to the Sun has changed by at least a factor of 500,000. The first is equivocation, and the second is laughable.

It could be 10,000 years, or it could be 10 billion years. Don't be absolute and finite. You have to look at this with a scientific mind.


Looking at it with a scientific mind all but guarantees that you will recognize it as being about 4.6 billion years. That you do not speaks volumes about your mindset.

8/29/2006 3:29:47 AM

Julian

Oh crap - I didn't realise he was a politician. What an idiot.

\"And I daresay I speak for nearly everyone when I say the Earth is between 1 day old and infinitely aged - vote for meeeeeeeeeeeee!\"

8/29/2006 4:23:18 AM

David D.G.

Julian, I'm sure that's a good part of what's going on here; he's trying to avoid alienating any potential voters, so he's trying to claim that he's in support of both camps, even though their views are mutually exlusive. He's going to try to keep one foot in the boat and one on the pier, hoping that he can keep from falling into the water at least until after the votes are in.

Actually, his \"compromise\" spiel might well fool some of the ignorant masses on the fence, darn him -- but he certainly won't win any support from the scientific camp, and he probably will lose at least some from the fundie camp as well for not being a sufficiently hardline fundie.

I hope at least one editorial in his town tears him to ribbons on this issue, exposing his hypocrisy; the fact that the article in the Tucson Weekly so conveniently presented this quote from him makes such an editorial a distinct possibility.


~David D.G.

8/29/2006 4:37:21 AM

Redhunter

Reminds me of when Kang and Kodos were both running for president...

Kang: Abortions for all
(Crowd boos)
Kang: Very well, no abortions for anyone.
(Crowd boos)
Kang: Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
(Crowd cheers and waves miniature flags)

8/29/2006 5:25:00 AM

Angel Kaida

\"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.\"

8/29/2006 6:33:52 AM

Wolf O'Donnell (SWHQ)

If you look at it with a scientific mind, you wouldn't accept Creationism as being science.

8/29/2006 10:21:05 AM

g-21-lto

\"Jenkins says that depending on how you count years, the Earth could simultaneously be 10,000 years old and 4.8 billion years old.\"

Good, Jenkins. Now repeat after me: War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

\"\"I think you can combine the two,\" Jenkins says. \"Being extreme in either way is bad. I think you have to look at it and say, this is possible. It could be 10,000 years, or it could be 10 billion years.\"\"

Except for the overwhelming evidence that the Earth is ~4.55 billion years old, you've got a good point.

\"Don't be absolute and finite.\"

Do I have to stop sacrificing to the God of Radiometric Dating then, now?

And how exactly should I go about ceasing being \"finite\"?


\"You have to look at this with a scientific mind.\"

Hey! We agree on something!

...though probably not on how to interpret this line.

8/29/2006 12:40:08 PM

McCulloch

Straddling the fence puts your gonads at risk.

8/29/2006 2:56:13 PM

Prager

Mike Jenkins has proven that we are made of dirt: his statement could only be made by someone whose head is filled with the stuff.

8/29/2006 4:08:18 PM

NonHomogenized

This post tempts me to change my stance on whether we should execute people for being \"too stupid to live\".

8/31/2006 9:35:22 PM
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