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Well, evolving and adapting are two different things, so I guess that the two have no correlation. But alas, some fool-hardy people wish to think that they do. I'll elaborate on that ...

In natural selection, things change physically in order to meet needs. In evolution, they are saying that species change species. We are not apes, apes are not humans, therefore, we can not come from apes, and apes can't come from humans. Dogs are not cats, cats are not dogs. AND FURTHERMORE you can't cross breed the two. I'll guarantee 1,000 to 1 if you took a male ape's semen and injected it into a female human, nothing would happen, and the woman would not concieve. It was setup this way, and that's just the way it is. I can't, to the life of me, see the reason why people wish to believe that we came from apes.

Now ... explain to me, why you think we evolved from apes. Apes have adapted relatively well enough to survive. They have no need to think or add or subtract, or multiply or divide. They have no need of highly sophisticated jobs ... now tell me, how in the world can we come from apes? It makes absolutely no sense. Furthermore, how could apes have came from us? That's even more bizarre.

Natural Selection and Evolution are so totally seperate and opposite that it's amazing, yet people still wish to continue in the thought process that they are similar or even exactly the same.

Lucas, Blogs for Bush 28 Comments [8/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Julian

Wow. This is someone looking at a grain of sand under a microscope and calling you a liar when you tell him about the beach you got it from.

(Looks like someone has trouble understanding concepts like billions of years.)

8/29/2006 7:33:57 AM

dykitty

No point in explaining anything to someone who can't understand the simplest of concepts.

8/29/2006 8:45:33 AM

Nezu Chiza

Well, humans didn't evolve from apes, we evolved from a common ancestor. Also, evolution isn't about species changing species.

Though I do agree that humans coming from apes makes no sense. Even if I don't agree for the same reason YOU say it.

8/29/2006 9:16:31 AM

Wolf O'Donnell (SWHQ)

Idiot. Apart from us not evolving from apes, you're right. We're not apes, because if we were, that meant we haven't evolved from apes!

Evolution requires adaptation, something you can't quite comprehend.

8/29/2006 10:20:10 AM

Redhunter

Although you seem to have a grasp of the english language, you are way off base. Here's whatcha gotta do...

1. Go to library/internet
2. Look up definition of disputed words.
3. Read articles on how these things happen.
4. Be sure you understand how old the earth is.
5. Be sure you know how long billions of years are.
6. Get the help of a parent or gaurdian if need be, just not a fundie.
7. Truly understand the subject matter.
8. Retain said information.
9. Open your mind to the fact that you don't know everything, possibly anything.
10. Come back and we'll talk.

8/29/2006 10:48:23 AM

noself

Um...yes? One of the definition of species is that the two different species cannot (or do not at any rate) crossbreed

8/29/2006 11:33:27 AM

Data

I find evolution weird!

Clearly it must be wrong!

8/29/2006 11:46:03 AM

g-21-lto

\"We are not apes, apes are not humans, therefore, we can not come from apes, and apes can't come from humans.\"

Well, that settles it, then, I guess.

8/29/2006 12:24:22 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

If only they could just make that one final leap of intuition, that if things adapt and diverge, it's possible that even though they can't breed now, they were once close enough together that they could. I mean, it's not like it's impossible for a ginger haired human to breed with a blonde one, but perhaps, in millions of years, the two groups could diverge sufficiently for this not to be the case, and new species definitions be made.

8/29/2006 12:42:06 PM

Nameless

Well, evolving and adapting are two different things, so I guess that the two have no correlation. But alas, some fool-hardy people wish to think that they do.

Really?

I can't, to the life of me, see the reason why people wish to believe that we came from apes.

I can't see a reason either. Maybe that's because nobody wishes to believe we came from apes.

Natural Selection and Evolution are so totally seperate and opposite that it's amazing, yet people still wish to continue in the thought process that they are similar or even exactly the same.

So, despite the fact that you cannot see any reason why people would have an irrational belief that we evolved from other species, you keep assuming many people have such a belief without them having any evidence for it.

You are clearly strong in faith.

8/29/2006 2:51:09 PM

shell

\"Injecting\" semen? That may be a problem in itself.

8/29/2006 3:55:33 PM

McCulloch

Well, evolving and adapting are two different things, so I guess that the two have no correlation.
Start with a fallacy. Just because evolving and adapting are two different things you cannot conclude that there is no correlation.

But alas, some fool-hardy people wish to think that they do. I'll elaborate on that ...
In natural selection, things change physically in order to meet needs. In evolution, they are saying that species change species.

The TOE says that the accumulation of many adaptations over a long period of time results in different species

We are not apes, apes are not humans, therefore, we can not come from apes, and apes can't come from humans.
We are apes. But apes are not just one species. The TOE states that all apes (gorillas, chimps, humans etc) come from a common ancestor.

Dogs are not cats, cats are not dogs. AND FURTHERMORE you can't cross breed the two.
Right. But over a long period of time, domesticated dogs have become a different species than their wild counterparts.

I'll guarantee 1,000 to 1 if you took a male ape's semen and injected it into a female human, nothing would happen, and the woman would not concieve.
You really do need to go to sex-ed class! My children are not the result of anyone's semen being injected. However, you seem to be trying to say that the various species of non-human ape are not human species of ape. On that we all agree.

It was setup this way, and that's just the way it is. I can't, to the life of me, see the reason why people wish to believe that we came from apes.
In your world, people believe what they want to believe. It is called faith. In science, people believe what they are compelled to believe by the evidence. I am sure that there were many scientists who did not want to believe that humans are apes and that all apes have a common ancestor. That is just too bad. The evidence says otherwise.

Now ... explain to me, why you think we evolved from apes.
Oh, little things like similar physiology, similar genetics.

Apes have adapted relatively well enough to survive. They have no need to think or add or subtract, or multiply or divide. They have no need of highly sophisticated jobs ... now tell me, how in the world can we come from apes? It makes absolutely no sense.
In the same way that horses, ponies and donkeys came from the same ancestor.

Furthermore, how could apes have came from us? That's even more bizarre.
Is there anyone who claims that they have located the evolutionary descendents of humans? Odd, I missed that research article.

8/29/2006 4:16:36 PM

Libkitten

Here we go: once upon a time, there was a man-ape forerunner. It was neither officially man, nor officially ape, but was the ancestor of both. This creature split into two tribes. One tribe stayed in the same place, the other tribe went off to do their thing. The tribe that stayed didn't have a need to evolve upright walking and cognitive thought, and so became apes. The tribe that left was faced with situations in which learning to walk upright became neccessary, and intelligent thought also became neccessary because an upright animal among a bunch of non-upright animals became an easy target for preditors to focus on, and it had to figure out how to outsmart the preditors.

Still with me? Probably not.

8/29/2006 5:15:36 PM

Mister Spak

\"Well, evolving and adapting are two different things, so I guess that the two have no correlation. But alas, some fool-hardy people wish to think that they do. I'll elaborate on that ...\"

Let me take over. You are an idiot. Adaptation over a long time is called evolution.


8/29/2006 6:20:05 PM

McCulloch

Evolution predicts that there would be species which are in the process of becoming separated so that they could interbreed but the offspring may not be fertile.
Creationism predicts that the different species simply could not interbreed.

Science is about testing the predictions from different hypotheses.

Originally posted by Bing Crosby

Would you like to swing on a star
carry moonbeams home in a jar
and be better off than you are
or would you rather be a mule

A mule is an animal with long funny ears
he kicks up at anything he hears
His back is brawny but his brain is weak
he's just plain stupid with a stubborn streak
and by the way if you hate to go to school
You may grow up to be a mule.

8/29/2006 6:55:29 PM

Napoleon the Clown

You're not female, therfore you cannot have come from a woman.

8/29/2006 8:24:58 PM

Tigerdreams

Talk about \"Not Clear on the Concept...\"

8/29/2006 8:49:08 PM

Papabear

Oh, come on! Natural selection is one of the two forces that ARE evolution.

Everybody sing...

If you don't know what you're talkin' 'bout, SHUT UP.
If you don't know what you're talkin' 'bout, SHUT UP.
(on and on until baby lucas falls asleep)

8/30/2006 1:10:45 AM

Anna Ghislaine

Electricity and magnetism are two different things too. I guess there's no correlation between them either.

8/30/2006 9:02:20 AM

John

Now ... explain to me, why you think we evolved from apes.

This has been done hundreds of times in hundreds of books. Look it up on Wiki. Since evolution is accepted science, it's up to you to explain why you think we didn't. So far, there seems to be only three arguments put forth by creationists: it says so in the Bible (the \"appeal to authority\" fallacy), \"I personally can't understand out how it could have happened, therefore it didn't (the \"argument from ignorance\" fallacy), and \"you can't show every step in the transition, therefore the missing steps must have happened by magic\" (the \"god of the gaps\" fallacy). I'm not counting the fundie favorite: the \"you're a shithead Jew faggot and you're gonna burn in Hell\" argument. None of these arguments are valid. Show something different.

8/30/2006 10:34:47 PM

NonHomogenized

Well, evolving and adapting are two different things,


Well, they are two different words. Usually \"adapt\" is referring to something that an individual thing does, and \"evolving\" is a process that occurs to things, although with the use of terms like \"stellar evolution\", this could be considered a bit confused.

so I guess that the two have no correlation. But alas, some fool-hardy people wish to think that they do. I'll elaborate on that ...


Speaking of foolhardy!

In natural selection, things change physically in order to meet needs.


Wrong! In natural selection, members of a population which are unable to breed do not produce offspring. That's what natural selection is.


In evolution, they are saying that species change species.


Sort of. Evolution is what happens when natural selection occurs over more than one generation. It is defined as the change in frequency of alleles, in a population, over time. One product of this is that sometimes, new species arise, and sometimes, species go extinct.


We are not apes, apes are not humans, therefore, we can not come from apes, and apes can't come from humans.


Assuming your conclusion doesn't help you. \"Ape\" isn't a species, you retarded jackass, and we most certainly are apes. In fact, without a clause specifically excluding humans, there is no way to define \"ape\" that includes all of what you would consider apes, but not humans.


Dogs are not cats, cats are not dogs. AND FURTHERMORE you can't cross breed the two.


No shit! And no one ever said you could, or that they were the same. But they had common ancestors, and those, obviously, could breed with other members of their populations. The populations got seperated over time, and, what do you know? Over millions of years, small changes accumulated, producing two groups that could not breed with each other, or even with the ancestral population from which both descended.

I'll guarantee 1,000 to 1 if you took a male ape's semen and injected it into a female human, nothing would happen, and the woman would not concieve. It was setup this way, and that's just the way it is. I can't, to the life of me, see the reason why people wish to believe that we came from apes.


If we're just injecting it into a random part of a female human, I don't know if I'd lay that high of odds, but I'd lay 100 to 1 odds that they wouldn't concieve if injected with human ape-sperm. If we're talking about specifically injecting it into the fallopian tubes, then you're still right as long as we're talking about non-human apes; she almost certainly wouldn't concieve. That's why they're a different species: we cannot produce fertile offspring with them.

Now ... explain to me, why you think we evolved from apes. Apes have adapted relatively well enough to survive. They have no need to think or add or subtract, or multiply or divide. They have no need of highly sophisticated jobs ... now tell me, how in the world can we come from apes? It makes absolutely no sense. Furthermore, how could apes have came from us? That's even more bizarre.


non-human apes did not evolve from humans. Humans are descended from non-human apes, over hundreds of thousands of generations. Given different selection pressures on different populations, it is unsuprising that they would develop differently over such time spans. However, I should point that they may have no need for thought, and yet, they do think, and, if they've never learned to count, they implicitly understand how to comprehend \"more\" and \"less\" (addition and subtraction) about as well as a human who has never been taught such.

Your major problem, aside from thinking you understand things better than you do, is that you're looking at history backwards. The path from non-human apes to humans is fixed; you cannot look at us as their ancestors as readily as vice-versa. We are descended from a lineage of non-human apes. If you go back far enough on this lineage, you find that other presently-living non-human apes are also descended from those same non-human apes. That is how it works, and no wishful thinking to the contrary, or ignorance of the subject, will change the facts.

Natural Selection and Evolution are so totally seperate and opposite that it's amazing, yet people still wish to continue in the thought process that they are similar or even exactly the same.


Addition and multiplication are so totally seperate and opposite that it's amazing, yet people still wish to continue in the thought process that they are similar or even exactly the same.

See how dumb it looks when you change the subjects to two others which share a similar relationship?

9/1/2006 2:11:17 AM

Trilobiter

I'll guarantee 1,000 to 1 if you took a male ape's semen and injected it into a female human, nothing would happen.

You would certainly piss off the woman, that's for damn sure.

9/1/2006 2:36:36 AM

Maronan

Well, evolving and adapting are two different things...


No they're not.

...so I guess that the two have no correlation.


Even if they were different, they could still have some form of correlation.

But alas, some fool-hardy people wish to think that they do.


No, most people know they do.

I'll elaborate on that ...


You'd better. You've got some 'splainin' to do.

In natural selection, things change physically in order to meet needs.


No they don't. Some individuals within a species will have traits that make them more likely to survive or more attractive to potential mates; natural selection states that these individuals will leave more offspring, and the traits they possess will become more common. The different traits are caused by mutation. Natural selection, acting on mutation, results in changes in the frequency of alleles throughout the population over time; this is called evolution.

In evolution, they are saying that species change species.


No. Evolution states that frequency of alleles within a population changes over time— nothing more. Of course, if a species is seperated into two geographically isolated groups, both will change in different ways, and the two may not be able to interbreed if they get together again after millions of years. So, yes, evolution can result in a new species, but it doesn't just say that \"species change species.\" In fact, that sounds dangerously like an \"individuals change\" strawman.

We are not apes...


Yes we are.

...apes are not humans...


Some apes are humans. See above, dipshit.

...therefore, we can not come from apes, and apes can't come from humans.


Are you your mother? No? In that case, you can't come from her— I guess she's not be related.

Dogs are not cats, cats are not dogs. AND FURTHERMORE you can't cross breed the two.


Yeah, evolution kinda explains why you can't crossbreed them.

I'll guarantee 1,000 to 1 if you took a male ape's semen and injected it into a female human, nothing would happen, and the woman would not concieve.


Hmm. I think you need to learn a little more about how reproduction works before you start worrying about how evolution works.

It was setup this way, and that's just the way it is.


Standard creationist answer. How did it happen? God made it like this, and that's just the way it is. The longhand version of Goddidit.

I can't, to the life of me, see the reason why people wish to believe that we came from apes.


I don't know how many people want to believe we share an ancestor with other apes. Probably plenty don't. The problem is that facts don't change according to our whims; we are decended from apes, and wishing we weren't can't change this.

There are probably plenty of people who wish they weren't decended from apes, but would rather be intellectually honest than deny the evidence against their fantasy.

Now ... explain to me, why you think we evolved from apes.


OK, first of all:

1. We are apes.
2. We did not evolve from any animal that is currently alive.

Why do I believe this? All the experts agree it to be the case, the evidence is available to read (yes, I do that sometimes), I took a little biology in high school (and haven't forgot it all), and no one has any coherent alternative. Creationist \"arguments\" can be understood with little knowledge of biology, so even I can see that they're bullshit.

Apes have adapted relatively well enough to survive. They have no need to think or add or subtract, or multiply or divide.


1. Some apes can perform complex math. It's one species, called homo sapiens, and they often proclaim to be the dominant species on Earth.
2. Non-human apes can certainly think, and don't you forget it. Chimpanzees can understand the concepts of \"less\" and \"more,\" and can learn to speak American sign langauge.

They have no need of highly sophisticated jobs...


And your point is what? Most apes (including some humans) have no sophisticated jobs, yes. Is this supposed to mean anything?

...now tell me, how in the world can we come from apes? It makes absolutely no sense.


Yeah, but what really doesn't make sense is that Chewbacca is a wookie who lives on Endor.

Furthermore, how could apes have came from us?


You came from your mother.

QED.

That's even more bizarre.


Ah, yes. We know it's wrong because you can't understand it.

Natural Selection and Evolution are so totally seperate and opposite that it's amazing, yet people still wish to continue in the thought process that they are similar or even exactly the same.


Natural selection is one of the driving forces behind evolution, dipshit, not its opposite! Don't you consider it strange that all experts agree to this, and even most creationists admit it?

For some reason, this quote put a picture into my head:

Lucas sees a group of people all running in the same direction, escaping from a burning building. Lucas, confident in his belief that combustion is the opposite of fire, runs against the crowd. People run by him; he calls them \"sheep\" or \"followers.\" Then he enters the building and burns.

9/11/2006 8:35:38 AM

Max

Depends on where you inject the women :K

4/29/2008 7:40:51 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

*sigh*
That isnt evolution.

10/20/2008 9:18:04 PM
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