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Pluto is no longer a planet....yes, the learned scientific community has admitted to their little plunder...so Pluto does not qualify as a planet but is just a tag along to our planetary system.

And this does make quite good logic as the scientific community has downgraded the human species into an evolved life form with no special intent or purpose other than to survive. They also see little reasons to protect life at any stage of the way especially if it might help produce something that will help their research programs. (I know that there are many ethical scientist out there who don't get the chance to rebut a lot of this group and for good reason...blacklisting.)

So now we see many astromnomers eating their words and accepting their falability...of course they will blame it on the new technology that allows them to peer deeper into the universe and not that they jumped to the wrong conclusion to begin with.

Just my observation...

clevermom, American Conservative Forum 32 Comments [8/30/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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#70488
Anna Ghislaine

It's not really a fallibility. A fallibility would be thinking, say, mercury was a non-metal only to find that it really is a metal. There is no intrinsic definition of a planet in the same way that mercury is definitely an element and a metal. Metals and elements would still exist if humans didn't. The definitions of a planet are arbitrary and human-made, though. We haven't discovered any new properties of Pluto that mean we must call it something else. We've just decided to move these arbitrary boundaries for the sake of convenience.

But of course these fundies can only see things in black and white, so they couldn't comprehend that kind of thinking. OMG SCIENTISTS CHANGED THEIR MINDS ALL ASTRONOMY AND THEREFORE EVOLUTION IS WRONG!

8/30/2006 8:23:34 PM
#70490
TDR

heh. Do you think she's aware of the irony in her own username?

8/30/2006 8:25:37 PM
#70495
dykitty

Way to smash all your favorite topics into one crackpot post. I wondered when PLuto would come up with these people.

8/30/2006 8:31:22 PM
#70496
Scott

Originally posted by TDR

heh. Do you think she's aware of the irony in her own username?


Fundies, to my experience, cannot understand irony.

8/30/2006 8:33:58 PM
#70497
David D.G.

I should have guessed that the Pluto controversy would bring out a lot of Mickey-Mouse ideas from people.


~David D.G.

8/30/2006 8:34:49 PM
#70500
Amos

Pluto is no longer a planet....yes, the learned scientific community has admitted to their little plunder
Plunder? Yes, the scientific community rode out into space on their Harley space-choppers and in their mean-looking leather jackets, making off with all the priceless treasures and teen girls of the pseudo-planet. (Damn teenage hoodlum scientists! Get real jobs!) They even left beer bottles all over the nearest Lagrangian point.

Assuming you meant \"blunder,\" the meaning of the word \"planet\" is actually an entirely man-made convention. We can't possibly be wrong in how we choose to define it. No mistake possible. We can only make things more or less convenient for ourselves.

And this does make quite good logic as the scientific community has downgraded the human species into an evolved life form with no special intent or purpose other than to survive.
Actually, the scientific community doesn't have an official opinion on the purpose of mankind. Good reason: our purpose is not a scientific question. Ignoring that question (as they should) is not the same as \"downgrading\" us.

I know that there are many ethical scientist out there who don't get the chance to rebut a lot of this group and for good reason...blacklisting.
Has anyone ever produced any evidence of any blacklisting? By anyone? For any reason?

And you still haven't demonstrated any unethical things that need to be rebut.

of course they will blame it on the new technology that allows them to peer deeper into the universe
Anything wrong with that? No!

8/30/2006 8:37:52 PM
#70501
Tiny Bulcher

That's just goofy, DDG.

8/30/2006 8:38:27 PM
#70508
Brain_In_A_Jar

I find most deities don't actually give a purpose in life either. They usually give long lists of stuff you're NOT supposed to do, but precious little about what you are. Tell me, anywhere in the bible, for example, where it defines the purpose of human existence. It says \"god created you, therefore he wants you to exist\", but even if you believe that, what does he want you to DO while you exist?

8/30/2006 8:50:23 PM
#70512
Blurb

May your dumb ass be obliterated by a meteorite.

8/30/2006 8:55:01 PM
#70521
Star Cluster

This came about simply because a body that appears to be larger than Pluto has been found in the Kuiper Belt. Presently designated as 2003 UB313, it has been given the unofficial name of \"Xena.\" Since there was no formal definition of what a planet was, there was a rather heated debate about if Xena was the 10th planet or not. If the IAU (International Astronomy Union)had accepted another proposal for defining what a planet is, the solar system would have grown to 12 planets. But I think they did the right thing. As one astronomer has said, \"if Pluto was located where Earth is, it would thaw out and grow a tail (much like a comet). Now, what kind of behavior is that for a planet?\"

\"Falability\" (sic)has nothing to do with it. Refinement is a more appropriate word to use.

8/30/2006 9:20:06 PM
#70529
ND

Well, your observation is worth about as much as a wad of used toilet paper

8/30/2006 9:48:39 PM
#70535
whitewater55

Observations:

1. Your premises regarding science are \"fucktarded\".

2. Learn to fucking SPELL, dickhead.

3. No scientist has been blacklisted for his/her findings in the modern era.
They have been debunked and ridiculed, but never blacklisted.

4. Pluto has only been observable for about 75 years, and science has advanced greatly since its discovery.

5. Your \"observations\" are not really observations, merely uninformed opinions a tragic leaps of logic.

Conclusion: Fundy Fucktard!

8/30/2006 9:53:23 PM
#70538
Napoleon the Clown

Guess what? The very premise of science is that we are fallible and thus need to revise our theories and definitions as new information comes along.

8/30/2006 9:55:51 PM
#70543
John

of course they will blame it on the new technology that allows them to peer deeper into the universe and not that they jumped to the wrong conclusion to begin with.

Unlike fundamentalists, who will never admit the Bible could be wrong in the face of any evidence, scientists revise things all the time. They draw conclusions based on the available facts. If they have additional facts, they will revise their conclusions to fit them. What they don't do is build theories based on unsupported and unlikely speculation. For example, when they observed the supernova SN1987A, the available facts said it's 169,000 light years away. Astronomers didn't say \"maybe it's really 8,000 light years away (to agree with the Bible) and the speed of light changed\", because they have no evidence that the speed of light has changed. If someone provides that evidence, they'll change their conclusion.

They recatagorized Pluto because technology has found lots of other objects that are just as entitled to be a planet as Pluto is. So they either had to add every one of hundreds of rocks and balls of ice to the solar system as planets, or redefine \"planet\" to exclude all of them, including Pluto. They chose the second option.

8/30/2006 10:04:06 PM
#70547
Mister Spak

\"Pluto is no longer a planet....yes, the learned scientific community has admitted to their little plunder..\"

Pluto was plundered? Why wasn't I invited?

\"So now we see many astromnomers eating their words and accepting their falability...of course they will blame it on the new technology that
allows them to peer deeper into the universe . . .\"

Damn those astromnomers and their new technology!! They keep finding new things that make
my one true religion look retarded. Then I have to defend my one true religion
and I look retarded!

8/30/2006 10:14:03 PM
#70561
Will

1. It is “blunder” not plunder. I do not think they are trying to steal the diamonds of Pluto, at least not yet.
2. By \"tag along\" you mean one of almost countless astral bodies in our solar system, yes.
3. Scientists have not \"downgraded\" anything. This is not Vh-1's \"Best week ever\". Pluto is not any less of what it was now that it is no longer a planet.
4. Almost all science in some form or application can be used to protect human life. I'm not saying it always does, it does not. However, with each advance we make in understanding the universe and how it works, the better the world can be. Science is neutral, it can be from good and bad means and it can be put to use for good and bad means.
5. I do not consider fringe quacks who wish to bend fundamental and accepted facts about to universe in order to justify a series of myths and essays, ethical. Also note that although I am impressed you managed to manipulate your forepaws to type something, you have a shitty style of writing (reason… post-sentence fragments).
6. They are not blaming their new tools. They are probably thankful that they now have new means to discover their universe. Scientists accept being wrong so that they can move towards being right. Considering the fact that Pluto is named after a God that just kinda fell out of fashion, for some reason, I think Science and scientists have come a long way. They will continue to do so, unlike fundies.
7. Your name is incorrect in at least one way I can think of.

8/30/2006 11:27:56 PM
#70581
g-21-lto

Just classic.

8/31/2006 1:01:56 AM
#70594
Patches

Someone needs to pull out that Asimov quote again about how fundies seem to think that something that isn't 100% right must be 100% wrong.

\"OMG, they calculated the billionth decimal place of pi?! Well that means the version of pi they had before that only had 999,999,999 decimal places was UTTERLY WRONG and ALL the calculations we've made using it until now are USELESS!!\"

8/31/2006 2:27:03 AM
#70595
JadedRevenge

Its a definition change, geeze. Like when you guys say hell is really and absence of god and not god getting off on settin us alight.
I've always loved the fact that science doesn't claim to have the full pictures, but will keep exploring it. Science is able to amend mistakes of the past, and infact, tries to find mistakes and fix them. Organized religion on the other hand, chooses to promote ideas held by single minded goat herders thousands of years ago. Science at the time decided that pluto was a planet by the fact it revolved around the sun, they knew it was small, but have decided as of late it doesn't fit the bill that other planets do.

Just my observation.

8/31/2006 2:29:11 AM
#70615
Abysses

Come on its just a minor classification with Pluto.

8/31/2006 3:27:04 AM
#70664
Mary Sunshine

Oh, get over it! Nobody \"jumped\" to anything.

Is Pluto mentioned in your bible? No? Then it doesn't even exist and you have no business even mentioning it, you friggin heretic!

8/31/2006 5:54:09 AM
#70669
Libkitten

I don't NEED religion or to believe in the Christian idea of God to find a purpose in life. Whether I was molded by a big bearded guy or evolved from another life form makes no difference in that respect.

They changed the definition of what a planet is. That doesn't mean Pluto no longer exists.

8/31/2006 6:01:53 AM
#70682
Redhunter

I for one didn't count on the Pluto Controversy to go on like this. It makes a lot of sense in hindsight however.

The XXX rating of motion pictures has now become, 'Unrated' or 'NC-17'. It is still a restriction, just a new name. Where were you, \"clever\"mom, when that happened? Or when the speed limits were changed? Or when the 'Colts' moved from Baltimore to Indianapolis?

When I was growing up I rode a 3-wheeler (not a four-wheeler, we're talking old school here) with no helmet, no licence and no supervision. The laws have now changed. This means judging the facts and statistics of a particular subject and adjusting accordingly. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? Definitions of planets change, status of planets change. Do you have a shit-fit every time there is a part recall on an automobile? Relax your ass.

8/31/2006 7:21:09 AM
#70700
Wolf O'Donnell (SWHQ)

Well, at least they acknowledge their mistakes, unlike a certain religion and its holy text I can think of...

8/31/2006 10:23:50 AM
#70705
Nezu Chiza

The fact that Pluto isn't a planet NOW doesn't change the fact that it USED to be. Definitions change. It's really no different than saying something like \"The hot color for clothes this summer is red!\" and then NEXT summer saying it's blue. The fact that it changed doesn't in ANY WAY change the fact that it USED to be the hot color as well, right?

8/31/2006 11:07:56 AM
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