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[on why "argument from personal incredulity" isn't a logical fallacy]

How's it a logical fallacy? Logic is by definition a consideration of incredulity. And incredulity is by nature personal. Therefor logic IS personal incredulity.

udsuna, Eyes on Final Fantasy 27 Comments [8/31/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Raistlin

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This post leaves me logiculous.

8/31/2006 12:12:54 PM


Um, no.

Logic is a position based upon empirical evidence and rational, considered appraisal of all aspects of the issue.

An argument from personal incredulity basicaly states that the speaker can't or won't believe that something could ever be true, so therefore it can't be true regardless of evidence. The logical fallacy can also go in reverse by refusing to consider a negative, and asserting the positive as a result.

It's a logical fallacy because it is based on belief without evidence.

8/31/2006 12:47:31 PM

Star Cluster

Fundy logic: an oxymoron if ever there was one.

8/31/2006 1:00:29 PM

Mister Spak

If she weighs less than a duck she's a witch.

8/31/2006 1:12:41 PM


NB Sandman: logic does not require empirical evidence. It's just a way to evaluate statements for truth and consistency.

For example, the following is logically valid:

P1: All Christians have beards.
P2: David is a Christian.
C: David has a beard.

It's not true, but it is valid.

Of course, in order to determine whether something conforms to what happens in the real world you do of course need some empirical observation!

As for personal incredulity, this page explains it quite nicely.

8/31/2006 1:22:11 PM


Logic is by definition a consideration of incredulity.

Not according to any dictionary I've ever seen, nor according to any person I've ever met who speaks English.

This must be an instance of the Fundie Word Redefinition Project.

8/31/2006 1:24:38 PM

David D.G.

Udsuna's arguments aren't nearly as bad as many we've seen here, I think; it's just that his premises are based on many underlying unproved (or even disproved) assumptions, some of which may be yet unverbalized.

But this one, in particular, is a doozy. I'd say that at this point, he was either tired, feeling desparate, or just trying too hard. Redefining logic to suit your argument instead of recasting your argument to fit logic? That's going too far -- to Kansas, in fact.

~David D.G.

8/31/2006 1:51:06 PM



8/31/2006 2:07:54 PM


Fundie Word Redefinition Project

8/31/2006 2:23:47 PM


I dare not track down my old logic professor and try to entertain him with this. Could his heart take it?

8/31/2006 2:45:12 PM


Udsuna's arguments aren't nearly as bad as many we've seen here, I think

Yes, yes they are. He's the worst fundie I've ever seen (I'm the one that's submitted all these, and read tons of posts by him).

8/31/2006 2:49:28 PM

David D.G.

Raistlin: Okay, well, I'm sure you're more familiar with his work than I am. Perhaps I'm just too dazzled by fairly decent grammar and spelling (rather rare among the fundies we see here) to be objective here.

~David D.G.

8/31/2006 2:53:57 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Your logic sucks, hun.

8/31/2006 3:43:07 PM


Despard, you are correct, I mis-spoke. It should have read \"Logic is a position based upon empirical evidence or rational, considered appraisal of all aspects of the issue.\"

My bad :)

8/31/2006 4:35:07 PM


you just pulled that right out of your arse, didn't you, sweetheart?

8/31/2006 7:15:38 PM


I don't believe that!

8/31/2006 7:49:52 PM


*shoots self in face*

8/31/2006 8:56:21 PM


YAY! A perfect 10 score for Udsuna in logical gymnastics, at the irrationality Olympics!

8/31/2006 9:00:28 PM


I am sorry, but I find your definition of logic absurd. It is clearly not logic.

8/31/2006 11:17:47 PM


Did this post start out as a 'Mad-Lib'?

9/1/2006 6:28:31 AM


Unsuna: \"genius level IQ\" and can't spell \"therefore\" correctly.

9/2/2006 3:12:12 AM

Old Viking

Logic is personal incredulity? OK. I'm always glad to learn new things.

9/3/2006 4:26:47 AM


That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

10/19/2009 10:10:05 PM



10/20/2009 12:12:51 AM

So, if I say that you have a green head, is it logical?

12/28/2009 1:56:23 PM

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