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Do you know the "only" test that would prove this [that the soul has a weight] wrong? Take a animal, which has no soul, and do the same test. If it loses weight upon death, then it is physical. If it don't, then the other test proves there is a soul. I don't know of any scientist brave enough to make such a bold quest for actual truth. Because this test has been out there for how long? And no one, that wants to disprove this, is not smart enough to figure out that a soul-less life test would bring no doubt?

I actually think the test has already been done. But the atheist did not like the out come. So it was never revealed. There is a difference between wanted actual truth, and justification for what one wants to believe.

ikester7579, 123 Christian Forums 23 Comments [8/31/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Luis

I think that someone watched 21 grams and decided that it was a factual movie. Or something.

I demand documentation of the experiment that this fundie is talking about.

8/31/2006 11:09:27 PM

Evergreen

My pets - loving, loyal, accepting.

Fundies - hateful, disloyal, condeming arseholes.

I'm sorry, which one has more soul?

8/31/2006 11:13:43 PM

Jeremy

According to you, if we lose weight, then the soul is some physical, explainable thing. If we don't lose weight, then this ALSO proves we have a soul, but it is not physical?

Some test.

8/31/2006 11:16:02 PM

Puistokemisti

Weight of soul.
Probably this.
I would say that his sample size was rather small and results rather inconclusive.

8/31/2006 11:22:59 PM

never been there

Someone gets their theology from Hollywood movie titles. And \"proof by disproving the non-exclusive negative\" isn't an original logical fallacy.

One atheist acting alone had the power to blockade the data showing a \"21 gram\" weight loss on death? Even if there were an EAC, which there isn't, some theist would have been in on it, even among scientists.

8/31/2006 11:32:48 PM

Julian

yeah, yeah, one fertilised human egg weighs 21 grams when one millionth of a nanosecond before fetilisation, the egg (the heaviest single cell in the human body) weighed 2-3, ten thousandths of a gram.

That says a fertilised egg would suddenly be unable to float, when a fertilised egg could.

It would also be applying a force of 4000psi on that little portion on that thin little glass slide or petri dish!

Are you aware the densest elements only have a relative density in the 20's. They're only 20-30 times denser than water.

You're proposing a carbon based cell which is mainly water suddenly has a relative density of 80,000.


Oh and also (WARNING: contains examples of fundy \"science\")
http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

8/31/2006 11:45:48 PM

Liberty Libertine

\"the atheist\"?

There's only one of us now?

9/1/2006 12:07:52 AM

Julian

Oh yeah, I fucked up too... by a whole order of magnitude in every applicable dimension...

That'll be 400,000psi and a specific density of EIGHTY MILLION - 80,000,000+.

Yep. Rip a woman's ovaries out, sprog all over them and form your very own black hole!

(OK, that last one's not true, but talk about a violation of the conservation of mass/matter/energy)

9/1/2006 12:43:05 AM

notarealdoctor

Based upon the assumption that animals don't have souls either . . .

9/1/2006 1:33:56 AM

dykitty

Our cats, our dog and our horses are souled creatures. All you need to do to ascertain this is to look into their eyes. They are totally loving and devoted and loyal. Can these fundies say the same about themselves and not be lying?

9/1/2006 1:37:11 AM

Julian

Oh God-fucking-dammit! I cannot believe I had to go and calculate the hypothetical Schwarzschild radius of enough \"souled\" ova to form a supermassive black hole. (in between actually having to work).

It's actually 1.5 million kilometres, so we're quite safe.

9/1/2006 2:13:05 AM

Darth Wang

Why doesn't he try doing this experiment himself then?

9/1/2006 2:49:05 AM

ND

I would just like to say one thing.
Ha ha ha ha.

9/1/2006 3:02:46 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Can I buy some pot from you?[/Brian Griffon]

9/1/2006 3:45:02 AM

AlexLoup

My cat has a soul! You meanie.

9/1/2006 6:09:08 AM

Redhunter

Anybody know the street value of 21 grams of soul? My rent is overdue and I need some quick cash.

9/1/2006 6:12:41 AM

moonbiter

\"I actually think the test has already been done. But the atheist did not like the out come. So it was never revealed.\"

Yes, and God knows you can't go and repeat this experiment yourself. You have to let \"the atheist\" do all the science work.

9/1/2006 7:43:51 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Julian, my congratulations on an excellent debunk, in a way that I don't think anyone's ever tried before. Best of all, it pits two assertions of fundie science against each other (soul has weight, soul created at conception), so even most fundies would be forced to admit at least one of them HAS to be wrong!

9/1/2006 8:26:10 AM

Mister Spak

I wouldn't bet on that.
How many times have you seen a fundie stand his ground on two mutually contradictory claims simultaneously?

9/1/2006 11:54:53 AM

McCulloch

if a soul is 21 grams (or whatever) then is that an admission that human fetuses under that weight don't have souls?

9/1/2006 6:18:36 PM

Matilde

So, animals can lose weight for thousands of REASONS. No, scientists are brave NO STUPID.

10/1/2006 3:22:11 PM

TW

Neither of these "tests" prove anything. And how could the atheist not like the outcome if it was never revealed? Especially if you are not sure the test actually took place!

1/14/2010 7:52:14 AM

Swede

The presence of an life essence or a soul, does not prove or disprove the existence of God.
What is the evidence that animals don't have a life essences or a soul?

1/14/2010 11:13:54 AM
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