Quote# 1503

Although humans have no instincts (only drives, reflexes, urges, etc.), there is a brief period during childhood when youngsters are vulnerable to religious training. Their concepts of right and wrong are formulated during this time, and their view of God begins to solidify. As in the case of the gosling, the opportunity of that period must be seized when it is available. Leaders of the Catholic church have been widely quoted as saying, "Give us a child until he is seven years old, and we'll have him for life"; they are usually correct, because permanent attitudes can be instilled during these seven vulnerable years. Unfortunately, however, the opposite is also true. The absence or misapplication of instruction through the prime-time period may place a severe limitation on the depth of a child's later devotion to God. When parents withhold indoctrination from their small children, allowing them to "decide for themselves," the adults are almost guaranteeing that their youngsters will "decide" in the negative. If parents want their children to have a meaningful faith, they must give up any misguided attempts at objectivity. Children listen closely to discover just how much their parents believe what they preach. Any indecision or ethical confusion from the parent is likely to be magnified in the child. After the middle-adolescent age (ending at about fifteen years), children sometimes resent heavy-handedness about anything—including what to believe. But if the early exposure has been properly conducted, they should have an anchor to steady them. Their early indoctrination, then, is the key to the spiritual attitudes they carry into adulthood.

Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family 34 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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This is just scary.

3/15/2008 8:08:15 PM


Get em young and brainwash them thoughally. Don't let them make up their own minds.

3/15/2008 8:38:25 PM


it's called brainwashing.

If your religion, faith, whatever you call it can't take objectivity it's fucked. Really, it's fucked.

PS this waste of space can't be a physician, please tell me he's not! The thought of him responsible for the well being of anyone he disapproves of is frightening

3/15/2008 11:40:27 PM

Scarlet Pencil

Holy shit, I didn't realize the guy was this crzy. God forbid we let the children CHOOSE what they want for their own damn lives.

3/25/2008 1:37:19 AM


If I ever have children (unlikely, given the fact that my erm, boyfriend and I aren't fans of that much lack of sleep), I will never raise them in a religion that suggests brainwashing. That's creepy, aye?

3/25/2008 2:54:32 AM

Philbert McAdamia

I thought the Catholic version was more like; "Give us a child for the first seven years of his life and we'll have him up the ass."

3/25/2008 3:24:52 AM


@ Philbert McAdamia

I was drinking a Pepsi and I actually spit it out with laughter, nearly on the keyboard, thanks to you. Makes some sense though...

3/25/2008 4:29:17 AM


It's funny that they never realise what that says about the truth value of their beliefs.

3/25/2008 7:37:43 PM


I love the first line...what the hell does he think instincts are?

And then there's the attitude of "Brainwashing?! But that's our trick!"

3/25/2008 8:38:35 PM

Because while they're little they'll believe all sorts of crazy shit. One of my kids once thought that the leaves on the trees had to be bought and glued on, a T-rex was going to go do it for him.

If you raise them without religion by the time they're 9 or 10 they should be able to poke all kinds of holes in the bible stories without any help.

5/6/2008 3:44:13 AM


Reader's Digest Condensed Version:

Instill the delusion when their brains are still gelatin. Once they solidify the brainwashing may not take.

5/6/2008 3:15:26 PM


Brainwasher's handbook.

5/6/2008 3:36:44 PM


It's great how this quote is basically admitting that his religion is bullshit. He's saying that you have to convince children that god is true when they're young, because once they start thinking for themselves they'll see how big a crock of shit the whole thing is. Sometimes I doubt that these people believe their own bullshit.

8/14/2008 2:03:37 AM


I was one of the kids that was left to decide for themselves and I will never be able to thank my parents enough for that.

When you think about it, it seems better that a kid would grow up in a home lacking any kind of significant religion, because then they'll learn to do the right thing just because it's the right thing, not because they'll burn in hell for eternity if they don't.

I don't see where fundies get off thinking they're so much better people than atheists when they only act decently because they're afraid God will smite them if they don't.

8/14/2008 3:15:08 AM


The greatest enemy of christianity is the christians.

8/14/2008 9:33:39 AM


@Philbert McAdamia: I was thinking along the same lines...

And thank you Dr. James Dobson for confirming my fears about religion and brainwashing.

8/14/2008 9:47:04 AM

a well known dangerous villain

The whole thing is pretty vile, but this leapt out at me:

" instincts (only drives, reflexes, urges, etc.)"

I think you need to look up the word "instinct", because I don't think it means what you think it means.

6/26/2009 7:14:28 AM


Admitting to brainwashing them, basically. Good job.

6/26/2009 7:26:48 AM


Suckling is an instint for an infant. Did anyone teach you how to chew? No? That's an instinct. You instinctively know how to form the sounds you hear when you learn how to talk- no one told you how to make the incredibly complex motions between the throat, toungue, jaw, teeth, and nose that no other animal can do. Sitting, crawling and walking come instinctively as an infant's muscles get stronger, not because his/her parernts taught him/her balance and coordination.

6/26/2009 7:44:09 AM


I'm having an instinct to bitchslap you right now.

6/26/2009 8:34:29 AM

Yes this is fucking scary, but it's not even 100% TRUE. I was indoctrinated as a Christian for most of my childhood, kept in Christian schools or homeschooling, kept off the internet, kept away from secular music and shows, the whole works. Now, after going to a public high school and 3 years of college, I'm an atheist. I thought the whole point of brainwashing was to keep people in the faith?

12/7/2009 10:25:53 AM

Dr. Gus

Brainwashing for Jeebus!

12/7/2009 10:41:06 AM


Humans have many instincts. Breathing, suckling, and swallowing, of course are known at birth. As one gains strength, one can sit up, stand, and walk, without instruction, even with all the muscles and balance involved in a short walk across the room. Talking, uniquely human, is instinctive. One learns by imitation, but the complexities of speech are instinctive. No one has to tell you how to make the sounds for Mama or Daddy, even though they involve the throat, tongue, teeth (the T-zones. Sorry), the lips, and the nose, and how to pass air though them. You just have to learn the correct way to connect sounds in something meaningful. You learn if it’s the woman, la madamoiselle, la señora, a senhora, or an bhean.

12/7/2009 11:34:28 AM


Holy crap! I find myself agreeing with James "The Fruitcake Fundie" Dobson. Although, I don't think he would like it - LoL

It's true that if you INDOCTRINATE (read: brainwashing, behavioural conditioning, etc) children they will have a very hard time breaking away from the grip of the fear and pain you have inflicted. (scratch head) Wasn't it Skinner who instilled the Teddy Bear phobia into Little Albert (poor kid!!)? Fundies do the same - "bad" thought? Blow the air horn or beat the kid. "Bad" behaviour? ditto the above.

And isn't the fact that kids will be "almost guaranteed" to choose not to believe in a deity if not indoctrinated show that lack of belief is normal and natural, and not the opposite?

Wow, Jimmy - you sure managed to shoot yourself in the foot most spectacularly with this ...

12/2/2010 9:56:27 AM


The frightening part about this is the sick bastard actually has a real psychology degree from a real school and he's giving a thumbs up to indoctrinating children. He's not even beating around the bush, he's actually using the word indoctrination. There's some serious ethical issues here.

12/2/2010 2:21:38 PM

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