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No, God didn't take away Pharaoh's freewill and forced him to make a stupid descision. The phrase "harden his heart" means that God allowed pharaoh's heart to become hard. He didn't take away pharaoh's freewill and make him let the people go - he allowed pharaoh to harden his heart. So it is in the sense that God allowed pharaoh's heart to become hard that the Bible says that God caused "his heart to become hardened". In a fuller way - God caused pharaoh's heart to become hard by allowing pharaoh to have his own way. That's the way I see it anyway.

davidH, Internet Infidels 29 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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#277927
Puffi Urai(Proud Shintist)

I have one word:

WHAT?

8/19/2007 10:25:52 PM

#277928
BiurntBush

My brain hurts.

8/19/2007 10:32:35 PM

#277936
icecold

umm...okay.....WHAT...

8/19/2007 10:45:51 PM

#277960
Axx

"Exodus 10:1 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him: "

He's just trying to justify his sky-fairy being a completely sadistic motherfucker. There there fundy, have this cyanide cookie and go play with sharp objects.

8/20/2007 12:07:33 AM

#282991
GigaGuess

So God gave us all free will, except when he wants to make an example out of us.

Dance, puppet, dance.

9/4/2007 9:16:01 AM

#282995
Puck

I thought it was pharaoh's PENIS that god made hard.

9/4/2007 9:52:47 AM

#283000
Raewyn

Let's gather 'round and dance for the puppet master! Oh, yes! Dance! [/DrCox]

9/4/2007 10:24:13 AM

#283001
Tomby Stone

I just have one question, did the pharaoh's heart become hard ??

9/4/2007 10:25:51 AM

#283002
apYrs

semantic genius. still doesn't weasel god out of "hardening his heart": inerrant, unambiguous etc, etc

9/4/2007 10:29:45 AM

#283023
Borborygmus

Behold, the mental gymnastics! That's usually the process you fundies have to use to make the Babble say what you want it to. In fact, this is the only method available to negate obvious contradictions!

9/4/2007 1:44:03 PM

#283025
Beast

Whatever it is you are on, stop it! Go to rehab!

9/4/2007 1:55:30 PM

#283092
SSJPunk

...Because causing progressively worse and worse disasters to all the egyptian (culminating in every first-born person and animal in Egypt dying) was the best way to free the Israelites

9/5/2007 12:10:57 AM

#283105
Annabella

George Bush's speech made more sense then that!

9/5/2007 5:14:54 AM

#283106
Mr Smith

No, look. It says it right there "I have hardened his heart", it doesn't say "I have allowed his heart to become hardened".

See the difference?

9/5/2007 5:34:45 AM

#283115
Jack Bauer

Let me summarise:

Pharaoh's heart was hardened because god let him harden his heart so that his heart would be hard after it had been hardened when god let this hardening of pharaoh's heart happen.

9/5/2007 7:47:53 AM

#1115325


Ok, try to explain the notion of responsability and, therefore, sin. And then, you'll realise that Christianity wouldn't make any fucking sense.

2/12/2010 4:14:28 AM

#1115329
FTR...

So when the bible says God created the heavens and the earth, it must actually mean God allowed the heavens and the earth to be created and actually had f***-all to do with it!

Ohh, I understand now. He's not omnipotent, he's omniindolent.

2/12/2010 4:18:29 AM

#1115355
Philbert McAdamia

If I say it three times, it's true.
If I say it SIX times, you're going to hell if you don't believe it.

2/12/2010 4:50:45 AM

#1115385
Swede

In my Swedish Bible it says "for I have closed* his and his servant's hearts, so that I could make these my signs among them".
It sounds more like God made them blind or something like that.
And, as you all know, the Bible I have before me is the One and Only, the True Bible. All other Bibles are just travesties and bad copies. Right? [/sarcasm]

*or possibly "shut".

2/12/2010 7:12:39 AM

#1115388
GigaGuess

Except it specifically said God hardened his heart. not allowed it to BECOME hard, hardened it. God made him unmoved to Moses' pleas. Try reading comprehension again.

2/12/2010 7:20:43 AM

#1115404
Anon-e-moose

"The phrase "harden his heart" means that God allowed pharaoh's heart to become hard."

Nice bit of 'interpretation' there. But I call shenanigans on your part. If the writers of said Bible wanted it to mean what you say, they'd have written it as you stated, verbatim. Then no confusion would occur.

Besides, the seat of learning, personality and feeling is the brain, not a blood-pump. Further proof that the Bible is nothing but bollocks; it would've said 'God hardened Pharaoh's brain'. But the Bible was written in such a vague way. So vague in fact, as to make it unbelievable.

And speaking of confusion...:

"God allowed pharaoh's heart to become hard."

I'd rephrase that, if I were you.

[/Finbarr Saunders]

2/12/2010 8:31:54 AM

#1131897
Sir P

According to by (Dutch) Bible, Ra hardened the Pharaoh;s heart.

3/13/2010 4:15:35 PM

#1131904
Moondog

I thought Quarterflash wrote "Harden My Heart" and it was Pharoah all along. It's still a great song. So is "Walk Like an Egyptian."

I'm gonna harden my heart
I'm gonna swallow my tears
I'm gonna turn...and...leave you here.....

3/13/2010 4:58:57 PM

#1290334
nazani14

I'd like to know why the Hebrews adopted the Egyptian idea that the heart was the organ of cogitation and emotion. Shouldn't your god have mentioned the function of the brain, instead of allowing them to be led astray by pagan magic?

5/18/2011 12:09:09 PM

#1399111
Karana

Ah yes, personal interpretation of your holy book. The hallmark of Christianity since forever.

5/3/2012 7:11:32 PM
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