Though modern science rejects creationism, which holds that the human race can be traced to a talking snake and a spare human rib, Hovind stresses it requires even more faith to believe in evolution.
He notes evolution’s failure to explain the origins of gravity or the reason why man has yet to see evidence to support the theory.
But Hovind says his aim is greater than disproving evolution. He believes students indoctrinated with modern science will eventually lose their fear in God and possibly be prone to breaking common laws. Conscience and a sophisticated understanding of the human condition is not enough.
“Hitler killed the Jews because he thought they hadn’t evolved far enough,” Hovind said. “The lion kills the zebra, and evolution teaches kids that they are animals. So how are they going to understand right from wrong?”
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Apparently to him evolution includes astronomy, geology, and physics (that I recall of his rantings). I suppose he thinks it supports his crap better if he goes around saying how he loves science, but evolution is wrong when really he has just changed the word science to evolution and goes on insane rants about everything and anything (including school shootings and how prayer being taken out of schools is at fault).
Oh and Hitler killed them because he needed an enemy to unite Germany after the devestating effects WWI had on their country. His excuse had to do with racial differences and nothing at all about evolution (you admit yourself that changes within a species occur). Also, the Lion kills the Zebra while the Human kills the Chicken, Cow, etc, so that part made no sense whatsoever. Unless you think that we don't kill other living beings to live which I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt for, but after having seen a video of your money making schemes, I'm afraid I cannot assume that you wouldn't try to claim that it's some sort of lie evolutionists tell.
"Though modern science rejects creationism, which holds that the human race can be traced to a talking snake and a spare human rib, Hovind stresses it requires even more faith to believe in evolution. "
Faith in what , exactly?
"He notes evolution’s failure to explain the origins of gravity "
Doesn't need to. That's physic's department.
"the reason why man has yet to see evidence to support the theory. "
We have, just not in anything big . Bacteria tend to change almost every generation.
"But Hovind says his aim is greater than disproving evolution. "
He's gonna burn some fags, too.
"He believes students indoctrinated with modern science will eventually lose their fear in God and possibly be prone to breaking common laws. "
Yes, it's a shame that people might lose their fear of an omnipotent, omniscient being who'd have them killed because their neighbor was gay.
"Hitler killed the Jews because he thought they hadn’t evolved far enough, "
A) EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
B) Hitler slaughtered the Jews. I cannot imagine how anybody could hear that and not immediately realize that it was an act of pure religious zealotry.
"The lion kills the zebra, and evolution teaches kids that they are animals. So how are they going to understand right from wrong? "
Right and wrong, good and evil, light and shadow -- these are words made up by men to express that which they find socially acceptable or unacceptable. As a society, we've found that not killing or otherwise injuring eachother or that stealing from one another made existance much nicer for everybody. As such, it doesn't really matter what we believe, so long as we understand what our society doesn't approve of.
Also, if the only thing keeping you from truly "dark" deeds is a fear of the consequences, in this life or the next, do you really think that you'll be seen in God's eyes as "Good"?
Hitler, hitler, hitler, evolution...Evolution, kill, break the law, hitler, theory, crime, hell. Science, hell, kill, rejecting god, evil, evolution, science, hitler, homos...ad hominim, godwin, theory, proof, hitler, evil, slippery slope.
That's what listening to kent hovind sounds like to my ears.
Hey, guess what--I haven't killed anyone today. This isn't Lord of the Flies , where you're dealing with a whole bunch of kids. Also, in all those types of novels, it is not a lack of belief in God that brings down the society. It is usually fear.
He believes students indoctrinated with modern science will eventually lose their fear in God and possibly be prone to breaking common laws. Conscience and a sophisticated understanding of the human condition is not enough.
How come the more scientific and less religious a society is, the less crime it has? There is a negative correlation between obedience to religion and obedience to the law; so there's no evidence that fear of God is a major deterent. In fact, it's been suggested that belief in the intervention of higher powers (God or Satan) reduces the feeling of individual responsibility.
“Hitler killed the Jews because he thought they hadn’t evolved far enough,” Hovind said.
Here is my more elaborated opinion of this.
Short Summary: Hitler killed the Jews out of jealously of their success with handling money and running businesses. He also killed them because of centuries old bigotry towards judaism from Christianity, as well as other European schools of thought.
"But Hovind says his aim is greater than disproving evolution. He believes students indoctrinated with modern science will eventually lose their fear in God and possibly be prone to breaking common laws. Conscience and a sophisticated understanding of the human condition is not enough."
Christians represent a higher percentage of the U.S. prison population than their percentage of the general population. Atheists represent a MUCH smaller percentage of the prison population than their percentage of the general population. It would seem that losing the fear of "God" might improve one's ethics.
"'Hitler killed the Jews because he thought they hadn’t evolved far enough,' Hovind said. 'The lion kills the zebra, and evolution teaches kids that they are animals. So how are they going to understand right from wrong?'"
That some persons misunderstood and/or misused the ToE in no way disproves the ToE.
That lions kill zebras is irrelevant.
That humans are animals is irrelevant, also. The ToE teaches nothing about how humans are to behave. Children are going to understand right from wrong because adults are going to teach them right from wrong. Hopefully, such adults won't be teaching them that belief in and fear of an imaginary being are right.
What the fuck is this "evolution teaches kids that they are animals" thing I keep hearing? Has this person been to a school AT ALL? Ever? Because no one that I've ever heard of is teaching kids that they are "just animals" and should therefore be free to kill people...er, zebras...wait, what is he talking about?
WTF Award!
TROLL TROLL TROLL. Evolution is a theory which has nothing to do with gravity. It doesn´t have to prove it, it´s just a theory trying to explain the origins of men. Of course, a speaking snake seems easier, but, please, it´s a symbol. Besides, I see that those who "feared" God in the past broke the rules anyway. If you´re able to clarify it, take off the mask.
By that logic, the Bible is invalid because it fails to explain the origins of coconut cream pie.
I mean, HOW can you expect a book to be the word of an all-knowing god when it doesn't mention any goddamn pies?!
Infallable logic, I tell you!
He notes evolution’s failure to explain the origins of gravity or the reason why man has yet to see evidence to support the theory.
Is it just BEYOND COMPREHENSION that evolution and gravity belong to two entirely seperate branches of science? Evolution is not the scientific theory that is supposed to describe the entire world; it is only one theory.
I'm not more likely to break the law. Know why? I don't want to waste the one life I have dealing with the repurcussions of getting caught. Oh, and I'm a moral person and I don't break the law.
Zadic: Hovind certainly doesn't kill anything. He just goes to the store, where he buys his steaks and his lunchmeat and his hot dogs and his vegetables and his fruits and what have you. Those things certainly aren't alive when he buys them (although he probably suspects that if he doesn't eat them soon enough, they'll spontaneously generate flies).
Nic:
"What the fuck is this "evolution teaches kids that they are animals" thing I keep hearing?"
For a fundie, his religion is the only source of morality in the universe. If you don't accept his religion, you have no access to any kind of moral restraint, you have no way to know the difference between right and wrong.
If you accept evolution as true, you neccesarily reject the fundie religion, therefore you have no
access to any kind of moral restraint, like an animal.
He notes evolution’s failure to explain the origins of gravity or the reason why man has yet to see evidence to support the theory.
*facepalm*
That might be evolution and gravity are entirely separate subjects which only have in common that they are well-supported scientific theories , you cretin!
He believes students indoctrinated with modern science will eventually lose their fear in God and possibly be prone to breaking common laws.
Well, the first is probably true, but there's no correlation with the second. In fact, atheists are less common in the prison system!
Hitler killed the Jews because he thought they hadn’t evolved far enough
Christians tortured and killed others because they didn't worship the same Sky Daddy. Fortunately for you, most of us aren't dumb enough to judge an entire group by the actions of a few.
Mister Spak, thank you for your explanation of fundie morality. I hadn't thought of it in quite those terms before, but it make sense.
I'm beginning to think that fundamentalism encourages sociopathy in its adherents, or at least a complete lack of compassion for people different from themselves. It certainly encourages iron-clad ignorance, and an overwhelming fear of reality.
Words cannot adequately express my contempt for Kent Hovind for posting this tripe.
Pike: He was a science teacher in a school he founded despite having no degree in science. The guy is extremely stupid, that's a given, but given the lengths he goes to tweak the facts so the ignorant will eat it up, it's most likely that he doesn't believe half of what he preaches. What really pisses me off about this guy is that he gives people what they think is their first real look into what science is and those people take it as fact which they then use when demanding evolution not be taught in schools and that Christianity's creation story should be.
The origins of gravity? Well, when a man gravity loves a woman gravity very, very much ... oh, wait, that doesn't work.
Soemone really needs to show Kent this passage of Mein Kampf that shows that Hitler believed in divine creation, and that his theories had nothing to do with evolution and all with horse-breeding.
Oh, and Kenny Boy, you have been a teacher (well, an impostor teacher, but...) and you deny that children are animals? Did you give all your lessons by videoconference or by tape or what?
Julian > "Step one of being a fundy douchebag is ignoring any evidence that is contrary to your wild assed supposition and bigoted opinions."
This goes double for Hovind. His well-known troubles with the IRS come from the same attitude of "I'm right no matter what you say". In tax court he used arguments that had already been thrown out many times, such as the notorious "income tax is voluntary" and "income tax is unconstitutional" arguments. He still thinks he's right, even though the court has confirmed the IRS tax lien.
Though modern science rejects creationism...
Gee, why do you suppose that is?
...which holds that the human race can be traced to a talking snake and a spare human rib...
Yeah, that's why. Humans came from a talking snake and a sparerib. And I was raised by a cup of coffee.
Hey, Hovind! Hansel and Gretal was a factual story, you know! You should point out that evolution can't explain why witches would want to attract kids to eat if they live in candy houses already!
...Hovind stresses it requires even more faith to believe in evolution.
Just so you know, Mr. Hovind, saying "I know you are, but what am I?" is not a valid debate tactic.
He notes evolution’s failure to explain the origins of gravity...
Explain the origins of gravity??!
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Look at this poor straw man you mutilated in your attempt to attack the theory of evolution.
Anyway, this seems to be another example of the major psychological limitation that fundies have. They are unable to understand anything except as a twisted mirror image of their own beliefs. Since Hovind considers the Bible to be the Acme Source of All Information About the Universe, he assumes that any idea contrary to the Bible must also be an Acme Source of All Information About the Universe. He has all the "knowledge" he thinks he needs glommed up in one principle, so he assumes that everyone must have all of their knowledge glommed up into one principle. He simply cannot comprehend the idea that a scientific theory doesn't try to explain everything in the universe.
...or the reason why man has yet to see evidence to support the theory.
We've seen plenty of evidence , you dolt! Just because you haven't seen the evidence (or have seen it but refuse to acknowledge it) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
But Hovind says his aim is greater than disproving evolution.
What, he wants to make a perpetual motion machine? Mr. Hovind, I would try disproving evolution first. I'm certain you'll die before doing that. (Just so you know, Mr. Hovind: By "disprove evolution," I meant "disprove evolution." I did not mean "convince ignorant backwater hicks to ban evolution from schools so that kids in this country won't know about the evidence supporting it.")
He believes students indoctrinated with modern science...
Whoa, back up here. Mr. Hovind, are you claiming that kids are "indoctrinated" with facts? That knowing how the world works is a form of "indoctrination?" Most of us call it "education." The word "indoctrination" is reserved for miseducation brainwashing with false information, the way you do with creationism.
...will eventually lose their fear in God...
This is a bad thing? This is the 21st century; isn't it time we stopped running around in fear of magic sky fairies?
...and possibly be prone to breaking common laws.
You mean like tax fraud?
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I mean, really! "Make sure you brainwash your kids into Christianity, because otherwise, they'll be immoral!" says a man who claims that tax laws and building codes don't apply to him.
The fact is, Mr. Hovind, there is a negative corellation between atheism and crime. In the United States, atheists represent a much smaller percentage of the prison population than of the general population. World-wide, the countries with the largest atheist populations have the lowest crime rates.
After all, who do you think is more likely to kill; an atheist who was told: "Killing is wrong, because everyone has only one life" or a Christian who was told "God will torture you if you kill, but if you do it in his name it's OK, and besides, he'll forgive you for killing if you worship him, and it doesn't really matter anyway because this life is only meaningless preparation for the afterlife."
Conscience and a sophisticated understanding of the human condition is not enough.
Fundies like you generally agree with Hobbes about human nature, except you go even further. For both, humans are disgusting, purely self-interested creatures who would kill each other on a whim. For fundies, though, even a Leviathen isn't enough; they need an omnipotent dictator.
The fact is, fundies, people aren't like that. Ordinary moral instruction is enough. Of course, that's something you'd never be able to comprehend. Most fundies don't know what morality means; they simply use the word "morality" to mean "obedience to God's will."
It's actually quite scary. People like Hovind can't understand how atheists could be moral because they know that they would kill people if they didn't fear punishment.
“Hitler killed the Jews because he thought they hadn’t evolved far enough,” Hovind said.
No, Hitler was a creationist. He killed the Jews because he thought God told him to.
“The lion kills the zebra...
Yeah, so? We LIONs have to eat, you know.
...and evolution teaches kids that they are animals.
Actually, no. Evolution doesn't say that humans are animals; basic biology says that. Even if you disproved evolution, humans would still be animals.
So how are they going to understand right from wrong?
Simple. Their parents teach them. My parents taught me right from wrong.
The problem is, Hovind, you don't even know what "right" and "wrong" mean. To you, "right" is merely blind obedience to God. Anyway, here's a helpful little comparison.
Atheist moral instruction (one example of many):
"You should treat others with respect because that's the way you want to be treated. No one will benefit if people attack each other. In fact, if you hit one person once, many people may get hurt you'll hurt the person you hit, he might choose to hit you back, and you'll get into a fight. Other people will see the fight and think it's a good idea. But if you don't fight and settle your differences with the other person peacefully, then you've saved both of you a lot of pain and you've set a good example for others. If you treat everyone with respect, everyone benefits."
Christian moral instruction:
"Here's the Bible. It contains a set of rules. You must follow all of these rules or God will torture you forever. If you break any of them (and it's garunteed that you will, because they're impossible to follow), then you must beg God for forgiveness because otherwise, he'll torture you. The rules say here that you have to be Christian, heterosexual, and a non-animal, so if you are non-Christian, gay, or an animal, then you'll be tortured forever."
Incidentally, this is why the fundies are so upset at the idea that humans are animals.
The lion kills the zebra because the lion really doesn't want to starve to death.
Fail on every level, jailbird.
It' things like this final paragraph that always gives me the "only in America" feeling. Evangelists in the states get a lot cred for this concept that the Bible is the only moral standard behind civilization because American know nothing about the rest of the world and little of it's own history.
Secular countries far outdistance America in morality, many from concepts, laws and practices developed long before the Bibles existance, other from mass rejection of Christian rule.
Hovind stresses it requires even more faith to believe in evolution.
As usual, Hovind is a complete liar.
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