[did you miss the part where it's the positive assertation which has to prove itself?]
And did you miss the part where you've yet to prove that? You claim that a positive assertation must prove itself. Yet provide no proof that such is the case. And please don't insult us with some "self evident" argument.
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OK, I'll insult you some other way. You're a moron.
This is incredible. It's not enough that fundies redefine words in the language to win every time; now they're redefining the very rules of logic itself to maintain that "heads I win, tails you lose" position.
Unfortunately, these kinds of word games can't be won by either side. The whole issue of religious verifiability has been beaten to death by people a lot smarter than Udsuna.
did you miss the part where it's the positive assertation which has to prove itself? You claim that a positive assertation must prove itself.
"The positve assertion must prove itself" is itself a positive assertion, yes.
Yet provide no proof that such is the case. And please don't insult us with some "self evident" argument.
No, no. You asked for evidence. I'll give it.
Suppose the burden of proof were placed on the negative position, rather than the positive assertion. Now suppose you meet two people, we'll call them Person A and Person B.
Person A says: "The planet Earth was created by God alone." This statement is unfalsifiable. Since we can't disprove it, we must accept it.
Person B says: "The planet Earth was created by an alien species called Renscellens. They had no help from anybody else." This statement is unfalsifiable too. Since we can't disprove it, we must accept it.
If we place the burden of proof upon the negative claim, we will be forced to accept mutually exclusive claims as true. Therefore, we cannot place the burden of proof on the negative.
Q.E.D.
Pointing out fallacies does not need to be considered insulting, it is always an opportunity to gracefully recognize mistakes or limitations and to learn. A temporary crisis may occur because of cognitive dissonance and the realization of having invested so much in vanity, though. I experienced that. But also, being on the defensive is compatible with persecution complex...
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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