Ah...wha...bu...*brain shuts down*
9/24/2006 11:12:33 PM
Around and around we go, where we stop... ow, my head :(
9/24/2006 11:15:15 PM
I'd say something but this does a good job making fun of itself.
9/24/2006 11:28:19 PM
Oh yeah? Prove that he needs to prove that positive assertions need to be proven!
Then, leave and don't come back until you are ready to stop being a moron.
9/24/2006 11:45:23 PM
Seriously, Udsuna needs to be beaten. That is the most irritating form of \"I know you are, but what am I?\" I have ever seen.
9/24/2006 11:46:10 PM
You are on a gaming board. Shut the fuck up.
9/24/2006 11:56:30 PM
Okay, so now we're debating the basic rules of logic and debate....
9/25/2006 12:01:15 AM
OK, I'll insult you some other way. You're a moron.
If the ones asserting the negative have the responsibility of proof, then every mindless assertion ever made must be considered true until proven false. Space aliens who look just like humans have taken over Sweden. Mars is a giant rock and dust covered onion. Bigfoot exists. You're an idiot. Well, that one has been pretty well wrapped up, I guess.
9/25/2006 12:05:25 AM
\"And please don't insult us with some \"self evident\" argument.\"
You mean like the self evidence of the existence of your sky fairy?
9/25/2006 12:51:18 AM
Napoleon the Clown
Invisible Pink Unicorns exist. Prove me wrong.
9/25/2006 1:09:31 AM
Please no more! My brain hurts enough.
9/25/2006 1:35:34 AM
Around and around it goes, where it stops, everything dies.
9/25/2006 1:40:53 AM
Fine. I now positively assert that Jesus is a boy-hungry pedophile that also likes to fuck goats while he feeds on aborted fetii. It is a positive assertion, so you need proof to disprove it.
9/25/2006 2:48:48 AM
udsuna was the star of his elementary school debating team.
9/25/2006 3:06:35 AM
Old viking - only because he was 25 and beat them up.
9/25/2006 5:15:06 AM
Udsuna needs to be charged with 'assaulting a brain with intent to harm'.
9/25/2006 6:00:40 AM
This is interesting. Fundies ignore logic all the time, but I've never seen anyone actually criticize it directly.
9/25/2006 6:46:20 AM
Is there a \"Logic Redefinition Award\"?
9/25/2006 2:37:29 PM
This is incredible. It's not enough that fundies redefine words in the language to win every time; now they're redefining the very rules of logic itself to maintain that \"heads I win, tails you lose\" position.
The final step, no doubt, will be the complete redefinition of reality itself, such that atheists, agnostics, pagans, Muslims, Jews, and all other faiths and sects will be redefined as \"Christians\" in order to claim ultimate victory in having converted everyone -- a masterstroke!
9/25/2006 3:04:12 PM
I'd love to see this guy in court.
Judge: \"You have been charged with murder. How do you plead?\"
udsuna: \"How do I plead? I'm not saying anything until you prove to me that you have to prove that I did it.\"
9/25/2006 3:15:51 PM
Double standard award.
9/25/2006 3:26:14 PM
Unfortunately, these kinds of word games can't be won by either side. The whole issue of religious verifiability has been beaten to death by people a lot smarter than Udsuna.
The philosopher John Wisdom told a parable of a garden that had been abandoned for years but appeared perfectly tended. One person said there was a gardener, while another insisted there wasn't. They gradually added more and more tests to discover the gardener's identity, but they all failed. The one who believed in the gardener gradually was forced to add more and more assumptions about the gardener to account for the negative results: the gardener must be invisible, intangible, undetectable, etc.; to the point where the gardener's existence was no longer verifiable by any earthly means. In the end, neither could conclusively prove the other wrong. But adding ad hoc assumptions certainly makes an argument less believable to an impartial judge. I suspect that nothing will change Udsuna's beliefs though.
9/25/2006 4:27:04 PM
If your need for proof is that bad, then why the belief in a god?
9/25/2006 5:52:53 PM
udsuna makes my head hurt =(
9/25/2006 9:38:12 PM
Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!
9/25/2006 11:32:01 PM