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(In response to NYC allowing transgendered people to change their birth certificates:)

So, the New York State Ministry of Information has activated their memory hole to please the trannies and it's supposed to be a "good" thing.

A "birth certificate" is supposed to reflect information about a person at the time of their birth. If some nutcase later claims to be trapped in the wrong time stream, galaxy or gender that does not make it OK to change their vital records to reflect their delusion.

I wonder when terrorism fetishists will begin demanding the right to carry bombs everywhere they go. After all, we have to cater to everyone's sexual hang-ups no matter how disruptive to the existing system they might be.

("bobandcarole" responded: "Shemales, faggots that don't know who they are......")

Frank Uriah, alt.fashion.crossdressing (crossposted to other groups) 36 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Murdock

How is wishing to carry a bomb around a \"sexual hang-up\"? Last time I checked if someone blows themselves up that can't go and beat off afterwards.

9/27/2006 4:08:33 AM

Amigone201

That's just a teensy weensy non sequitur, is it not?

9/27/2006 4:16:35 AM

Savrin

Terrorism fetishists? Thats flat retarded.

9/27/2006 4:20:20 AM

Mike

Non-Sequitor of the Week?

9/27/2006 5:19:05 AM

Redhunter

Who the fuck is fucking bombs?

The old slippery slope. \"If we allow terrorist to fuck bombs, the next thing is we'll have to let them fuck volcanoes, and nuclear power plants, and tanks, and...

9/27/2006 5:47:26 AM

My Brain Hurts

What in the world does a bomb-toting terrorist have to do with a transgendered person changing their birth certificate???

...I think I just caught brain damage...

9/27/2006 5:48:29 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Here's the thing, nutsack. The feelins are considered by people who know what they're talking about to be legitimate. That reassignment surgery is very beneficial to their well being. So go fuck yourself on a fence post.

9/27/2006 6:42:36 AM

Prager

Actually, we 'faggots' know exactly what we are. What we're trying to figure out, though, is what you are!!

9/27/2006 6:56:32 AM

Libkitten

Terrorism... fetishists? Buh?

9/27/2006 7:06:02 AM

Matilde

Well, following those standards, if a persons heals from cancer or from an hereditary illness by birth, let´s leave it that way, SO THAT HE OR SHE CAN´T LIVE A NORMAL LIFE. PLease, just because it doesn´t match social stereotypes, it doesn´t mean it´s bad.

9/27/2006 7:52:50 AM

WritingIsMyReligion

Terrorism fetishists? Who gets off of terrorism? WTF?

9/27/2006 10:56:15 AM

Mister Spak

\"Terrorism fetishists? Who gets off of terrorism? WTF?\"

Fundies. Read some of their posts. They explain how they're going to torture and kill their various enemies.

9/27/2006 11:25:43 AM

Wolf O'Donnell (SWHQ)

What a spectacular Non Sequitur you have here, Franky boy.

9/27/2006 11:41:56 AM

Bone_Vulture

Yeah, I was about to suggest Free Republic / Conservatives forums for being the prime locations for terror fetishism.

9/27/2006 12:12:43 PM

Coffee

Does anyone else notice the irony of the responding poster, who rails against \"shemales,\" calling himself bobandcarole?

9/27/2006 12:26:28 PM

Bree

\"Shemales and faggots\" have no connection or relation to those who actually change sex.

What do \"bombs\" have to do with the issue?

9/27/2006 12:50:51 PM

David D.G.

With all due respect to Yahweh and others undergoing transgenderization, I actually agree that birth certificates, being medical and legal records, should NEVER be changed except to correct a factual error (e.g., wrong date, misspelled name, etc.), and they certainly should not be altered to reflect a change created decades after the fact.

We don't change birth certificates to reflect the name change of anyone whose name is changed later in life -- neither women getting married, nor kids getting adopted, nor Prince (or whatever he's calling himself this week), nor anyone else. I don't see why we should change the record of a person's sex at birth retroactively; it makes neither medical nor legal sense.

That said, however, the violently non-sequitur homophobic rant included with the opinion above makes this post distinctly fundie, not to mention disturbing.


~David D.G.

9/27/2006 2:35:39 PM

ingoa

Actually these changes are quite normal (at least here in Germany). My stepfather adopted me when I was 16. Now my birth certificate states my new last name as well as states him (my step father) as my father. No mentioning of my biological creator (may he rot in hell). I know hell does not exist, but once in a while it would be quite handy. ;-)

9/27/2006 2:48:31 PM

Kalli

David D.G.

As someone who was adopted, I can assure you that birth certificates are altered all the time. When I was adopted 39 years ago, my B.C. was changed to reflect my adoptive parents as my parents. Two years ago, when I changed my name, I submitted paper work to the office of vital records and had my name changed on my B.C. A birth certificate is a record of your birth, and that record needs to relfect who you ARE, not who you were. And trust me, I've been in a position where not all my documents had the same name on them. (I was in the process of changing them) I was told that any documents in my former name were not valid, even though I had a court ordered name change document tying me back to my old name. No, it is very important that birth certificates be changed. Not only is it a matter of having documents that pass muster, it is also a matter of safety.

As for the nutbag who wrote the above. What an idiot, and not all transsexuals are faggots. There are some FtM's that are gay, but a gay MtF is a lesbian, not a faggot.

9/27/2006 5:05:25 PM

David D.G.

Kalli: Oh, well, I guess it's education day for me, then. Thanks for the correction.

Frankly, though, I think that that is NOT how a birth certificate SHOULD be used; I think it SHOULD reflect who you WERE when you were born, not who or what you are now. But apparently that's just my own view of things.

I knew, of course, that there is paperwork to reflect name changes and so on, but I never heard of one's actual birth certificate getting changed to reflect this. What's up with that? Are women supposed to get their birth certificates changed to reflect their married name -- repeatedly, if they get divorced and remarried? That seems ridiculous to me; one's birth document should (in my opinion) reflect the original state of affairs, and other documents can reflect the changes that come afterward.


~David D.G.

9/27/2006 5:25:10 PM

Zipperback

Neogodwin v. - to compare something to Islamic extemist terrorism through the most vague or obtuse connection with the unintended side effect of totally discrediting your own arguement.

Frank Uriah's point seemed tenable until he neogodwinned himself in the face.

9/27/2006 9:00:27 PM

Irene

David: Next, you'll be saying that a Social Security number should be used primarily for Social Security and not be treated as some sort of Ultimate Proof of Identity number. What are you, some sort of radical or somethin'? ;)

Besides, I've heard of at least one very good reason to change a birth certificate. The kid in question had been adopted from China, so the birth certificate was in Chinese. Me, I think it's quite reasonable to want your personal documents in a language that the bureaucrats can read.

Irene

9/27/2006 9:52:35 PM

David D.G.

Irene: Yeah, right -- me, a radical! That's rich. Nah, I'm just opinionated, stubborn, and somewhat literal-minded.

As for changing the language of the birth certificate, that's not an alteration; that's a translation, which is completely different. If the information on it is not translated accurately, or is intentionally changed in the process (e.g., changing the name of the parents on the birth record to his adoptive parents as if they were his biological parents), then you have made a change of information. My beef is with alterations of the information, not of its form.


~David D.G.

9/27/2006 10:43:10 PM

Old Viking

And this is among your biggest concerns?

9/28/2006 12:25:41 AM

Hybrid, The Vague

In response to this \"terrorism fetish\", I dunno. It might be sexy getting fucked by someone who's got a bomb strapped to their chest.

9/28/2006 12:30:24 AM
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