Quote# 15453

I've heard that 0 is mathematically considered a number. Anyone got a proof that 0 is a number?

t.w., Internet Infidels 31 Comments [9/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Bone_Vulture

I've got exactly zero proof. :(

9/30/2006 11:07:19 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Try doing simultaneous equations without it!

9/30/2006 11:07:44 AM

Matilde

Come back to Maths?

9/30/2006 11:32:59 AM

NotMe

The fact that the \"numbers\" are considered numbers is just an universal agreement. There is no physical \"proof\" for what, naturally, is a number outside of that agreement.

9/30/2006 12:27:17 PM

Crosis

Break out the Cluebats.

9/30/2006 12:43:57 PM

David

Later on t.w. said he just wanted to find a way to demonstrate that zero is a number because people had been claiming that it is not. However another poster, \"untermensche\", actually argued throughout the entire thread that zero is not a number.

9/30/2006 12:48:55 PM

Tiny Bulcher

0 is not a number! It is a free man!

9/30/2006 3:29:21 PM

Not really fundie, just stupid.

9/30/2006 6:45:56 PM

Old Viking

Hold on ... hold it ... I've got a proof ... now what the hell did I do with that thing?

9/30/2006 7:41:58 PM

Ens

Zero does not require proof, because it is defined to exist.

There are number systems without a 0 in them. Not vector spaces, mind you, but number systems nonetheless.

9/30/2006 9:34:49 PM

Julian

It's what my clue meter's reading right now.

10/1/2006 2:10:58 PM

Redhunter

\"untermensche\" Isn't that what the nazi's called the jews? A term meaning 'inhuman'?
Sounds like a warm and brainy bunch over there. *sarcasm*

10/2/2006 7:24:51 AM

Seomah

hey t.w. I have the proof here.

0 is just the half of 8. 8 is actually two zeros together. Then, if 8 is a number (that's still undemonstrated) then 0 is half a number. To get a whole number you have to join two zeros. That's the reason why \$100 notes are worth more than \$10. Don't let them fool you.

10/2/2006 9:46:31 AM

...It's...defined as such?

10/5/2006 12:12:38 PM

joey444

But if it wasn't, the dividing by 0 problem would be gone.

11/7/2006 1:20:08 AM

Archaeopath

0 is a mutation of the number 8 because it threatened to blaspheme the Holy Toast. Unless it repents immediately, forthwith and posthaste it may end up wheelchair-bound. Praise the all-loving Jesus.

11/7/2006 1:46:29 AM

Marching proudly into the 6th Century BC.

12/31/2006 5:41:06 AM

retrow

As long as your computer doesn't say \"NaN\", its a number.

12/31/2006 5:51:28 AM

Joe

anyone got proof that t.w. isn't an idiot? Yeah, me neither.

12/31/2006 6:40:49 AM

Ellimist

Tiny Bulcher: So if Number 1 was actually Number 6, what does that make Number 0?

(Sorry, but the final episode confused the hell out of me.)

12/31/2006 11:09:34 AM

Amos

The different number systems are all constructed by simpler elements and rules. In most, 0 happens to become defined as an element of that set. That is why it's a number in those number systems. Similarly for infinity, though it's usually not defined.

And, by the way, take a friggin' math course! I think natural and whole were covered in 1st grade. We were what?--six, seven years old when we learned that zero is a number?

12/31/2006 8:54:34 PM

GigaGuess

Look out! Numerical Theory is about to be debunked! Or...not. Try again, buddy.

11/14/2007 1:23:18 PM

Lil' Akurei

If you can have debt...0 is a number!

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