Slaves were already born, and given the choice to be slaves or die. Innocent babies within the womb are given NO choice, NO voice -- the two simply are NOT comparable.
["And if you were a runaway slave who was caught, you would either be shot or traded to another slaveowner."]
Can unborn babies run away? Can they choose to stay with their masters (mothers) instead of being aborted? Are they given ANY choice, ANY voice?
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Mike, you have to right click "FreeConservatives, "hit "copy link location," and then paste it into your address bar. FreeConservatives blocks hyperlinks from this site.
I dunno, guys; going by the SN, I hafta call troll. Not that this post would be terribly effective at it, considering where it came from.
Who wants a slave that comes from the rape of a meth addict to a Downs Syndrome victim? What kind of work is one supposed to get from a constantly crying, mentally deficient slave? [/sarcasm]
HomeschoolrsRUs later admits to having been a product of rape herself (which her mother apparently would have aborted had it been legal) and having had a termination herself following a rape. Apparently, she feels such guilt and shame over it, she'd like to deny all other women the right she had. The moral high-ground appears to be missing.
Nobody is born a slave, you imbecile. As for giving unborn babies a "voice"... will you please just listen to yourself? You sound like you're high on 'shrooms.
Zipperback's observation implies what should be obvious: Developing embryos aren't capable of "choosing" anything. Heck, even children aren't really capable of learning the concept of "choice" for quite a long time. Does this poster propose that all embryos be carried to term and raised until the child can be asked to choose whether to live or not? Talk about stacking the deck!
"Slaves were already born,"That's it! You've hit the nail on the head. Slaves were actual, living human beings.
"and given the choice to be slaves or die."
Hmmm. Not much of a choice, really.
"Innocent babies within the womb are given NO choice, NO voice -- the two simply are NOT comparable."
Exactly! The two are NOT comparable. Slaves were people, the subjects of abortions are blastocysts and embryos.
["And if you were a runaway slave who was caught, you would either be shot or traded to another slaveowner."]
"Can unborn babies run away? Can they choose to stay with their masters (mothers) instead of being aborted? Are they given ANY choice, ANY voice? "
By far, most abortions are done way before the product of conception can be called a "baby." They are blastocysts or embryos, not babies. These groups of cells cannot make a choice. The pregnant woman is given the choice because she is the actual, living human being most effected by the pregnancy.
Well, as usual, I expect nothing less from FSTDT.
BTW, I was unable to edit my post, don't know if this is a board feature or not. I made a couple of typos (the font in the comment box is small on my computer and hard to see, also there is no "draft" or "review" option.)
HmskoolrsRUs - I have a few questions, if you wouldn't mind answering :)choice in the matter of being born? They have no choice in conception, after all.
* Would you say your guilt at having a termination outweighs a child's theoretical 'right' to not be born the offspring of a rapist? Or drug user? Or child prostitute? Or not to be born into extreme poverty? Or not to be born with a significantly debilitating condition/terminal illness/deformaties and so on?
* Is it better for a child to be born into psychologically, physically or emotionally harmful and/or potentially fatal circumstances than for society to accept terminations as a viable ethical procedure?
* It would appear, from your posts, that you place greater emphasis on the 'right' of a baby to be born than the 'right' of a baby to live a healthy, safe and nurtured life. Would this be an accurate assessment?
* Can you justify how the 'rights' of a blastocyst or embryo outweigh the rights of an 'already born' living, breathing human being?
This will sound patronising, no matter how it's phrased, but please don't take it as such: if you're not familiar with the terms 'blastocyst' and 'embryo', please look them up. They are not
pro-life liberals and democrats -- would they be "fundie" too?p
Can unborn babies run away? Can they choose to stay with their masters (mothers) instead of being aborted? Are they given ANY choice, ANY voice? "
Archaeopath,
I think I'd rather be the aborted fetus.
Archaeopath, I appreciate you offering to answer the questions, and also why you don't want to discuss it on the FSTDT forum - but the 'safety in numbers' element goes both ways, and, if you do answer, I'd prefer it if they were solely your answers without the jeering and heckling of (some) of your decidedly biased FreeConservatives 'colleagues' clouding the issue.
As a compromise, how about you email me (sapientape@gmail.com) and, in return, I promise everything you say will be in strict confidence (nothing will be passed on to anyone else or posted anywhere else). Of course, this is entirely your choice :)
Edit: I should point out to any fundies reading this, my email has a FundieFilterTM , so you can by all means waste your time harrassing me, but please don't think I'll actually see any emails you send.
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@HmskoolrsRUs
Agreed. I will e-mail, but not from my main account (safety being formost in both our minds). I will put my screen name (HmskoolrsRUs) in the subject line so that you will recognize the email as coming from me.
What about the fact that any children born to slaves were automatically slaves themselves? They sure weren't given any choice, they were born into slavery. The slave mother's choice was taken away by her owner: he decided whether or not to abort, since he owned her and her unborn child. Does this metaphor fit the pro-life movement?
I'm not a dumb***, nor am I trying to be a smart***, generally I try hard to stay away from the ad homs (but I must admit, I have been guilty in the past -- doesn't everyone's emotions run amok simetimes?) Thanks for the kind words TheJamo.
RE: Quote by The Jamo"Hey, don't mention it. Whenever you need to be slandered for your inane comments and perspectives just call in here and the service will be rendered free of charge. I'll even throw in a few profanities.
Instead of standing by what you have said, you caved in like the insecure fundie that you are."
I don't "need" to be slandered. As for my comments -- if they are so inane, why transport them elsewhere?
I sure don't understand how you figure I've "caved". I fully stand by what I said -- however if one takes the quote out of context, as it most certainly was, it certainly has a different appearance. I am quite secure in my position regarding abortion -- I speak from experience.
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