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Today, I was in a heated debate on MSN Chat about the connection between atheism and crime. Simply by observing atheists in action, one can easily see that atheists tend to be violent sociopaths, but if I hated atheists simply on that fact, I would have been criticized as being "prejudice" and "bigoted." I would have to prove to them that atheism is accountable for all crimes on Earth. I have finally found the connection

As everybody knows, people are born not believing in God. Therefore, they are born atheists, which means "no God." Knowing that, common sense suggests that all criminals were originally atheists. That includes the most heinous criminals, such as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Tupac Shakur. Criminals who commit religious crimes against Christianity and other proper religions tend to empathize with other anti-Christian atheists (pardon the redundancy). As for criminals who commit crimes against atheists in the name of Christianity, like homophobes, they are simply trying to repress their atheistic/homosexual tendancies, but rather than act Christian about it, they take it to an atheistic extreme.

All criminals have been atheists at one time in their lives? I don't know about you, but if there was ever a reason to outlaw atheism and other non-Christian religions, this is it.

81 comments

old comment by Distind

Odd, I was far more violent as a christian. The sociopathy has even calmed down a bit, and I know exactly why.
As a stupid kid I was convinced that I would be forgiven for doing it at a request and they were going to be punished anyway. Now, seeing no proof of god or an afterlife I realize that all anyone has is their time here, and as we share that limitation I shouldn't do anything to them, not even for fear of retribution but because why should I waste some of their small portion of time on my own stupid hang ups? I still have times where I question not using people as a personal chew toy, but they're typically people who are just like I used to be.

old comment by Papabear

"Today, I was in a heated debate on MSN Chat about the connection between atheism and crime. Simply by observing atheists in action, one can easily see that atheists tend to be violent sociopaths, but if I hated atheists simply on that fact, I would have been criticized as being 'prejudice' and 'bigoted.'"
If you would examine the statisics, you would find that Xians are over-represented in the U.S. prison population when compared to the general population, whereas atheists are under-represented. Allow me to happily call you prejudice and bigoted as well as ignorant and arrogant. "I would have to prove to them that atheism is accountable for all crimes on Earth." You're off to a remarkably poor start on that. "I have finally found the connection" Sure you have. "As everybody knows, people are born not believing in God." Though I am generally opposed to any assertion that starts with "as everybody knows," your point here is true. No one is born believing in anything. "Therefore, they are born atheists, which means "no God.'" Essentially. I would say "without a god." "Knowing that, common sense suggests that all criminals were originally atheists." Irrelevant, though true. "That includes the most heinous criminals, such as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Tupac Shakur." As those persons were all once new-born infants, yes, that is true, but it is IRRELEVANT. "Criminals who commit religious crimes against Christianity and other proper religions tend to empathize with other anti-Christian atheists (pardon the redundancy)." Again, what you say is true, but irrelevant. People who commit crimes against Xianity, if they commit those crimes BECAUSE the targets are Xian, do tend to empathize with anti-Xians almost by definition. So what? I do not claim that all atheists behave perfectly. Equally, the point could be made that almost all crime against atheists is committed by Xians. Also, who gets to decide what a "proper" religion is? "As for criminals who commit crimes against atheists in the name of Christianity, like homophobes, they are simply trying to repress their atheistic/homosexual tendancies, but rather than act Christian about it, they take it to an atheistic extreme." No, they are taking their feelings to a XIAN extreme. Perhaps we could agree that those who resort to criminal behavior because to their religion or lack of religion are extremists, and not good representatives of either side of the theist/atheist question. "All criminals have been atheists at one time in their lives?" Again, that is utterly irrelevant. "I don't know about you, but if there was ever a reason to outlaw atheism and other non-Christian religions, this is it." Now that's good thinking, dimwit. By your own "logic" we would have to outlaw infants. Not only are you one of the stupidest persons I've seen featured here, but you're also and arrogant asshole.

old comment by John

As everybody knows, people are born not believing in God. Therefore, they are born atheists, which means "no God." Knowing that, common sense suggests that all criminals were originally atheists.
By that logic, Noah, Moses, Abraham, the virgin Mary, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were originally atheist, too. What's the point? If he's trying to say that atheists are more likely to be criminals, the fact that everyone is born an atheist is irrelevant. Atheists are less likely to be criminals than those professing to be Christians. That's been shown by numerous studies. If you want to outlaw certain beliefs in order to prevent crime, you could make a better case for outlawing Christians. For example, Japan has a much lower crime rate than the US, and it has very few Christians.

old comment by Napoleon the Clown

75% of the US population professes to be Christian. 10% professes to be atheist.
75% of the US prison population is Christian. 0.2% of the prison population professes to be atheist. As of 2004, the prison population was 1.5 million. (source: US Department of Justice) The US population at that time was ~300 million. That means five tenths of a percent (0.5%) of the US was in prison. There were ~ 225 million Christians in the US at the time. That means that 1,125,000 Christians were in prison. There were 30 million atheists in the nation at the time. The prison population consisted of only 3,000 atheists. That's one tenth of a percent of atheists incarcerated. Arithmatic has just shown that, going off statistics, a Christian is five times more likely to be put in prison vs. an atheist. And, if your beliefs are correct, why not apply your logic even further? If we all have souls, we all must have known of God before birth. This means everyone would have been Christian before being atheist. We can conclude that Christianity is the greatest source of all things that are unpleasant. That's your logic, not mine. And it is utterly flawed.

old comment by David D.G.

Oh, man, PLEASE be a troll. I've just read two other posts that make similar claims of atheists being inherently criminal and criminals being inherently atheist, but this one goes even farther than either of the others did, and it even self-destructs under its own logic. Even though it MIGHT be a troll, I rate it a 5, as if it were genuine, because it is entirely consistent with the real stuff I've read; unless they're ALL trolls, this attitude is really out there.
(Of course, this means that I really, really wish people would quit trolling this stuff; not only does it make our job here so much harder, but it gives encouragement to the fundies who believe this sort of nonsense for real, and may even be giving some of them the idea in the first place!) ~David D.G.

old comment by Swede

If every criminal was once an atheist, then so was every thoroughly good person as well. Most people in jail in America are Christians. If there was ever a reason to outlaw Christianity...

Adolf Hitler was a creationist Christian.
Joseph Stalin studied to become a priest.
Tupac Shakur didn't murder anyone, to my knowledge, he was murdered. He's clearly not on the Most Heinous Criminals list. Jack the Ripper, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are all much higher on that list than a mere sexual assault guy.

So, Scott Roeder was trying to repress his atheistic tendencies by killing a perfectly legitimate doctor, who just did his job?

You do know that that atheistic period often occurs BEFORE the person even learns to speak, right? By the time people are four or five years old and start to reason, they have the same religion as their parent do.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"As everybody knows, people are born not believing in God. Therefore, they are born atheists, which means "no God." Knowing that, common sense suggests that all criminals were originally atheists. That includes the most heinous criminals, such as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Tupac Shakur."

...so, a case of Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking, then MessyarseWTF?! [/Tv Tropes]

Desperado: 'I like Rape, Murder, Arson, and Rape.'

Hedley Lamarr: 'You said "Rape" twice.'

Desperado: 'I like Rape!'

-"Blazing Saddles" X3

Moral: 'Criminal Record' does not mean what everyone else thinks what you mean.

...oh, and as for 'Hitler was an Atheist'. O RLY...?:

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('Gott Mit Uns' translates as 'God With Us' for the hard of thinking such as you, MessyarseWTF?!)

For a 'criminal Atheist' such as Adolf Hitler, He certainly gave everyone else in his Third Reich plenty of leeway, eh?!

'Prejudiced' and 'Bigoted'? More like So herp-a-derp-derp 0-IQ, moronic, intellectually & educationally inferior as to render his 'argument' deader than Hitler. Which doesn't say much for your 'beliefs' which are supposed to be the alternative to Atheism.