JacobHall86 #fundie

JacobHall86 #fundie christianforums.com

why exactly do you think thats funny?

[I don't want to tell you, I'll let you get laughed at first.]

Is it becauseyou know that the Sun is the center of the Universe, because thats what everything revolves around and want to hold onto a fleeting idea that maybe just maybe the joke of a congregation you belong to is totally full of crap and when one card in the house you built is removed the whole thing falls?

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old comment by MK

The funniest thing is that the whole thread started off as a discussion of FSTDT, started by BigChrisFilm, who was appealing to other like-minded (for lack of a more appropriate term) fundies to come to FSTDT to "witness" to all the atheists here (cause we all know that if we question fundamentalism we're god-haters). That sparked a discussion about this site itself and what gets posted, and went on from there to people copping to having been quoted on the site. Some people then got their panties in a knot over "atheists trying to make us look stupid," and others (including JacobHall) pointed out that it's not the atheists making Christians looks stupid, it's Christians making Christians look stupid (I feel sorry, sorta, for JH86 as he doesn't even realize that he's making a good example of this maxim). And someone gave an example, something along the lines of claiming the earth is the center of the universe... and then it all went to hell pretty fast.
I give the OP credit for recognizing, primarily, that fundies are the ones that make themselves look stupid, and it takes no effort on our part to help them along in this endeavor. The worst thing is, in trying to make this point, JH ends up shooting himself in the foot without realizing it. But I think it more exposes a sad lack of science understanding than genuine fundie dogma-spewing in his case. He's salvageable... he seems like he can be taught the error of his thinking, unlike his opponent (RichardT in the original forum) who seems to be a copy of AV1611VET.

old comment by richardT

unlike his opponent (RichardT in the original forum) who seems to be a copy of AV1611VET.

You are right that I'm sort of like AV1611VET in that I take the bible as an axiom and work from there. If I have to question anything in the bible, then I have to question the whole bible. To quote Burgon : I am asked whether I believe the words of the Bible to be inspired,I answer, To be sure I do,every one of them: and every syllable likewise. Do not you?Where,(if it be a fair question,)Where do you, in your wisdom, stop? The book, you allow, is inspired. How about the chapters? How about the verses? Do you stop at the verses, and not go on to the words? ... No, Sirs! THE BIBLE (BE PERSUADED) IS THE VERY UTTERANCE OF THE ETERNAL;AS MUCH GOD’S WORD, AS IF HIGH HEAVEN WERE OPEN, AND WE HEARD GOD SPEAKING TO US WITH HUMAN VOICE. Every book of it, is inspired alike; and is inspired entirely. ... THE BIBLE IS NONE OTHER THAN THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SITTETH UPON THE THRONE! EVERY BOOK OF IT,EVERY CHAPTER OF IT,EVERY VERSE OF IT,EVERY WORD OF IT,EVERY SYLLABLE OF IT,(WHERE ARE WE TO STOP?)EVERY LETTER OF ITIS THE DIRECT UTTERANCE OF THE MOST HIGH! ... Well spake the Holy Ghost, by the mouth of’ the many blessed Men who wrote it.The Bible is none other than the Word of God: not some part of it, more, some part of it, less; but all alike, the utterance of Him who sitteth upon the Throne;absolute,faultless,unerring,supreme! (Sermon III, pp. 75,76,89). -Burgon “That which distinguishes Sacred Science from every other Science which can be named is that it is Divine, and has to do with a Book which is inspired; that is, whose true Author is God. ... It is chiefly from inattention to this circumstance that misconception prevails in that department of Sacred Science known as Textual Criticism’” (Burgon and Miller, The Traditional Text, p. 9) -Burgon Don't think that I'm not unwilling to learn, please look at this thread if you need to be convinced any further, I try to find answers wherever I can. http://www.christianforums.com/t4535327-rate-group-radioactive-decay-finds.html In this thread that I started I noticed that RATE group found inconsistant radioactive dacaying results between different methods and came to a conclusion based on it, but in the thread it seemed as if RATE was atacked as completely dishonest, to me, if RATE falls, then YEC falls and I would have to come up with a different biblical exegesis. Just like YEC, as with Geocentricity, I do not know enough of the science just yet to make a definite choice to believe it based on science, which is why if you look at my profile you will see that my origins view is "no comment", I have alot more learning to do.

old comment by David D.G.

richardT: You are right, and I apologize for my "synapses" comment earlier. I'm having a bad day, but that's no excuse for me to be so snide with you; even if nothing else, it's a lousy way to encourage your skepticism. The comment was uncalled for, and I'm sorry, truly.
<< No, I believe the earth is the center of the universe, not the galaxy. But I'm not certain of it. Ya, I know how ridiculous I sound. >> I'll even forgo the obvious cheap shots that I could make at this comment and simply ask: If you really know how ridiculous it sounds, why on Earth (so to speak) would you make such a claim? How can you claim that the Earth is at the center of the galaxy, when Earth isn't even the center of the Solar system? And if you now claim that Earth is at the center of the Solar system and that the Sun goes around the Earth instead of vice versa, all I can do is point you toward thousands of astronomers, satellite launchers, space probe handlers -- heck, astronauts -- whose experiences and work every day bear out the heliocentric model of the Solar system without the faintest suggestion otherwise -- indeed, would literally crash completely, every time, if there were anything wrong with that model. It isn't just the fancy mathematics that prove the Earth goes around the Sun; it's the fact that NOTHING done in space science would work as it does if those mathematics were so fundamentally wrong. ~David D.G.

old comment by Skywolf

I think sometimes we do need to keep in mind Jacob's point that not all Christians are fundies. I know everyone knows that, but sometimes cheap shots end up being taken at the religion as a whole, and not just the fundie side of it.
Personally, I don't believe Christianity has all the answers. I don't know if it even has any of them. But I have no problem with people who believe it does, and incorporate that belief into their modern lives without insisting that everyone else do the same. But fundamentalists who continually argue that everything human beings have observed over centuries about our universe is wrong, or of the Devil, anger me like little else and make themselves and their entire religion look utterly stupid. Why this constant need to insist that humans aren't capable of using the brains that God supposedly gave them in order to observe and learn about their own universe outside of a millenia-old book of ancient myths? Of course people of Biblical times thought Earth was the centre of the universe. Naturally, that ideal would have been incorporated into ancient texts. But we know now, without a shadow of a doubt, that this is not the case! We've grown up - we've gained knowledge and experience and learned amazing things about our incredible universe - and fundmentalists want to take us all back thousands of years into a world of ignorance? Why?!? What is so wrong about accepting the fact that we've learned things about the world God supposedly gave us? If you believe that, why would you not want to believe he intended for us to explore and expand our knowledge and be even more awe-inspired by the universe he made?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Is it becauseyou know that the Sun is the center of the Universe, because thats what everything revolves around and want to hold onto a fleeting idea that maybe just maybe the joke of a congregation you belong to is totally full of crap and when one card in the house you built is removed the whole thing falls?"

...Jacob'sCream[i]Crackers[/i](IQ)8.6 said whilst looking in a mirror, all the while the rest of Planet Reality - including John Glenn, Valentina Tereshkova, Dr. Buzz Aldrin, Yang Liwei, and the current crew of the International Space Station - pointed and laughed at him.

"Is it becauseyou know that the Sun is the center of the Universe"

(*Shows mirror to Jacob'sCreamCrackers, shiny side towards him*)

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"a congregation you belong to is totally full of crap and when one card in the house you built is removed the whole thing falls"

...oh wait, you were being serious?!

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Let us laugh even harder.

'[I don't want to tell you, I'll let you get laughed at first.] '

Done, and done. Jacob'sCreamCrackers, how do you even manage to turn on a light switch, never mind that computer of yours? What's that you're looking at, JCC? That soap bar-shaped thingy, wondering what it's supposed to be hooked up to? That flat thing at the end? It's a USB line. I'll show you later. X3

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