If evolution is true, why don't scapegoats evolve?
Evolution wants to do away with the need for a Creator, so why not? If Christ is not necessary for Creation, perhaps scapegoats should evolve. A scapegoat would simply exist to bear the abuses of the rest of the species.
If you want to mould evolution to fit the evidence, you can always start with the placenta for scapegoat hopes. The placenta exists solely to feed the newborn child and dies when this job is done. Similarly we could expect to find scapegoats for entire species.
There is one problem with this theory though: God cares. There is no way that God would create a creature solely to suffer punishment; even Christ will rule in His Kingdom for a thousand years. The theory of evolution will never see evidence of scapegoat creations because God will not allow it: it is not part of the design!
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There is no way that God would create a creature solely to suffer punishment
No... no way at all...
@Lev 16:8-10He is to cast lots for the two goatsone lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. 9 Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the LORD and sacrifice it for a sin offering. 10 But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the desert as a scapegoat.
How exactly would a scapegoat go about evolving? What adaptation would allow for scapegoats to proliferate? What advantage would they have to survive better than other similar species?
Get something through your head, just because an idea makes sense in your head, doesn't mean it's actually true. This is what science is for, it separates the silly ideas we all get from the plausible ones that actually exist in reality.
"Evolution wants to do away with the need for a Creator, so why not?"
No, evolution doesn't "want" to do anything. It's a scientific theory that you insist on disagreeing with.
"There is one problem with this theory though: God cares."
You can't rebut a theory with an unsupported conclusion to a different hypothesis.
If Christ is not necessary for Creation
Uhm, he's not. In fact, according to the mythology, Creation was churning along for about 4,000 years before Christ showed up.
There is no way that God would create a creature solely to suffer punishment; even Christ will rule in His Kingdom for a thousand years.
Those two statements make no sense together. Your use of the semicolon has been REVOKED.
-pb
There is no way that God would create a creature solely to suffer punishment
Jesus? "Suffered, died, and was buried," if I remember correctly? Which was ultimately the point of his life, supposedly?
An especially dumb version of the "if evolution is true, how come X didn't evolve?". They never seem to appreciate that if X is such a good idea, the same argument can be turned around: "if Genesis is true, how come X wasn't created by God?". You can't disprove evolution by accusing it of not doing something when God apparently didn't do it either.
There is one problem with this theory though: God cares. There is no way that God would create a creature solely to suffer punishment. That'd be why he creates all these ill infants that suffer horrible pain and then die. [i]Snopes[/i] link [Graphic image warning!].
Not to mention all the species like rabbits and flies he creates that get eaten by predators.
Scapregoats don't need to evolve - you fundies are perfectly capable of creating them fully formed (gays, jews, liberals, etc, etc, etc)to help justify your hatred of life and mitigate your orrational fear of an imaginary God.
Scapregoats don't need to evolve - you fundies are perfectly capable of creating them fully formed (gays, jews, liberals, etc, etc, etc)to help justify your hatred of life and mitigate your irrational fear of your imaginary God.
What's supposed to happen after Jesus has ruled for a thousand years? I mean, is he just gonna fly back to heaven to be bored for the rest of eternity? And isn't a millenium a bit short for the son of god? 2000 years have already passed since his supposed birth, even a Christian wouldn't argue against that :-)
Gottservant is a troll, IMO. He makes many threads like this, starting with some utterly ludicrous misinterpretation of evolutionary processes and proceeding directly to fantasy-land. But now and then he posts something that indicates he does understand the theory pretty adequately, contradicting his facade of complete ignorance. I suspect it is his peculiar idea of fundie 'intellectual' humour. He never responds to posts which call him on this charade.
He is likely a fundie of some kind, though, as he occasionally reacts a bit savagely to put-downs of religion.
From the Wikipedia entry on wolves:
". . . one wolf will assume the role of the omega: the lowest-ranking member of a pack.[25] These individuals absorb the greatest amount of aggression from the rest of the pack, and may be subjected to different forms of truculence at any given point anything from constant dominance from other pack members to inimical, physical harassment. Although this arrangement may seem objectionable after cursory analysis, the nature of pack dynamics demands that one wolf be at the bottom of the ranking order, and such individuals are perhaps better suited for constant displays of active and passive submission than they are for living alone. For wolves, camaraderie no matter what the form is preferable to solitude, and, indeed, submissive wolves tend to choose low rank over potential starvation."
Evolution of the Scapegoat
1. 1300BCE A scapegoat is a biblical concept. You sacrificed a goat (or two) to pardon yourself for sins in the eyes of God.
2. 33-36CE A mouthy Jew was bled and sacrificed and then posthumously attributed to be an atonation of sins.
3. 325CE The scapegoat is officially deified and any evidence to the contrary is deemed heretical. Opposing points of view are ruthlessly and mercilessly presecuted. The persecutors claim they're doing a good thing.
4. Circa 1900CE. Ancient claims of an immediate return of the scapegoat (that never eventuated) are vastly expanded upon, and Armageddon cults and doctrines are invented. "Scapegoat II - He's coming back and he's baa-a-a-a-a-d "
What a multi-layered onion of stupid. Everytime you peel one off, there's something stupider lurking beneath.
There is no way that God would create a creature solely to suffer punishment
Now, I was christian for many years, and the center of 'CHRISTianity' is the death and resurrection of jesus. How could you possibly be christian, and still say what you said?
Evolution wants to do away with the need for a Creator
No, it doesn't. There is no inherent conflict and millions of theists (including myself) manage to reconcile the two. There is only a conflict when you insist on reading the Bible as inerrant.
An interesting idea. So a species of animal which does nothing but suffer would prove that God does not exist, since God clearly cares too much to create such a creature.
So I suppose we should tell this guy about the male angler fish?
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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