taking an innocent life has always been wrong in the eyes of God. Note the emphasis on Innocent Life. For years now the Pro-choice community has attempted to use the bible to justify their desire and supposed right to slaughter their unborn children. They will always be wrong. no matter how often you attempt to gloss over the abortion issue abortion will always be the taking of an innocent life. You can't make killing an innocent child sound Patriotic, or american, or heroic or beautiful. Nor can you convince the pro-life world that abortion is a right guaranteed to all women. Killing is killing not matter how many times you gloss it over. Spending hours upon hours scouring the bible looking for loopholes will not convince any pro-life or God that abortion is not the killing of an innocent human being. Whether that human being be a newly concieved fetus or a 8 month 29 day old baby born a few days early it has a God given right to live. A right given to he or she by God and like or not only God can take away that right. He is the author of life. I know it is not what you pro-choice people want to hear. You don't want to hear that God has control over your lives, bodies and souls. Get over it. Behave and embrace all life and we will all be better because of it.
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"Whether that human being be a newly concieved fetus or a 8 month 29 day old baby born a few days early it has a God given right to live."
1) A collection of cells is not a child
2) When was the last time anyone 'aborted' an 8 month 29 day old baby born a few days early?
3)All children have a God given right to life? Even those conceived by sinful means (out of wedlock, by rape, artifical insemination?)? If God desires the existence of that child, then doesn't that justify the sin that conceived it?
Stop saying 'innocent,' please. If you respect all life, should it really matter if it's 'innocent' or not?
And even then, in order to really be innocent, you have to know right from wrong. Thus, saying a fetus is innocent is like saying a rock is innocent.
There. I'm done.
There is no such thing as a "newly concieved fetus ", first a fertilised egg, then zrgote, then embryo, THEN foetus...
Yeah buddy, you're all over the place, but peep this.
God killed innocent children all of the time. He killed innocent men, women, animals, plants, hell he liked death for death's sake. God's line of reasoning seems to be, I made it, I kill it. God kills you if you have sex, if you DON'T have sex, for lying, for NOT lying, for peeking in a box, for swiping something from your enemy, god looks for excuses to kill, and when he doesn't have one he does it anyway. So for someone who follows the most bloodthirsty deity that has every been worshipped, you have no authority to tell me what is innocent, or a righteous death.
Ah, but according to fundamentalist Christianity, there is no such thing as an "innocent" life. According to fundyism, all human beings are tainted irrevocably by original sin from the moment of conception.
taking an innocent life has always been wrong in the eyes of God
So what kind of pennance did God do for killing newborns or women who were pregnant in the flood?
For years now the Pro-choice community has attempted to use the bible to justify their desire and supposed right to slaughter their unborn children.
No, really, they haven't.
You can't make killing an innocent child sound Patriotic, or american, or heroic or beautiful.
Yet, somehow, people who were against the invasion of Iraq on moral grounds (i.e., that it would kill children) were labeled as unpatriotic, un-American, and cowardly. Strange, that. Oh, wait, you meant killing white babies.
You don't want to hear that God has control over your lives, bodies and souls.
I don't want to hear that Santa Claus eats fried wallaby skins and plays Jarts with Barney the Purple Dinosaur, because like your statement, it's not true.
Behave and embrace all life and we will all be better because of it.
Again, let me guess, you mean "embrace all white, Christian life"?
-pb
You can't make killing an innocent child sound Patriotic, or american, or heroic or beautiful.
So why is it when the military kills innocent children, it's just "the cost of winning the war for America"?
Killing is killing not matter how many times you gloss it over.
So let's see... USN indicates you're in the navy. The US Navy's duty is to ship troops and aircraft and missiles for the purpose of... uh... killing people.
No no, can't gloss that over... you said so...
How, now, do you justify being in the company of killers?
Spending hours upon hours scouring the bible looking for loopholes will not convince any pro-life or God that abortion is not the killing of an innocent human being.
Proving, once again, that fundies frequently don't really care what the Bible says, they care only about what they think the Bible says or want the Bible to say.
A right given to he or she by God and like or not only God can take away that right.
So, again... why are you in the Navy, where it is your duty and job to deprive people of their right to live?
You own Bible claims that no one is innocent.
If it is unborn, it is not yet a child.
There is no such thing as a "newly concieved fetus."
Abortion is not murder. Get over it. Get out of other people's private lives, embrace choice and we will all be better because of it,
Abortion is a private choice. It should be between the people involved. It is absurd to suggest that you, your religion, the government, or I understand as well as these people what is moral and necessary in their lives. WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME BETWEEN ANOTHER PERSON AND THEIR CONSCIENCE OR THEIR GOD! If you are opposed to abortion, that is your right. Don't have one! Of course you won't have that problem, you are male. As I have noticed are most anti-abortion people that I have met. Kind of tells you something doesn't it?
In fact, they don´t believe in the Bible. It´s only that they want to get rid of you and your Bible bushing. In fact, they´re right. The Bible NEVER condems abortion, because children are considered chattel. I have became pro-life for personal reasons but I admit that the Bible is silent on the matter.
taking an innocent life has always been wrong in the eyes of God.
Right. Would this be the same god that is supposed to have wiped out the whole world once, except for a handful of people? Or who destroyed whole cities because he was in a pissy mood? Or are you going to tell me that the children there were sinful, too?
For years now the Pro-choice community has attempted to use the bible to justify their desire and supposed right to slaughter their unborn children.
That's odd, I didn't think that telling you to cram your dusty old religion counted as using it to justify anything. You're the ones who want to use God as an excuse to murder people.
You can't make killing an innocent child sound Patriotic, or american, or heroic or beautiful.
What about the children in Afghanistan, or Iraq? What about the children in Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Or Dresden? Or don't they count? None of this is about children, or saving lives. It's all about having control over other people.
Behave and embrace all life and we will all be better because of it.
Does this mean that you're against the death penalty, then? Or that you oppose any kind of military action? Or are you one of those people who don't give a damn once the child is born? Oh, but then they're no longer innocent, right?
"Spending hours upon hours scouring the bible looking for loopholes will not convince any pro-life or God that abortion is not the killing of an innocent human being."
A few minutes are sufficient to prove it. Your next question is, are you going to believe what's written in your supposed holy book, or will you continue to pull things out of your ass?
or years now the Pro-choice community has attempted to use the bible to justify their desire and supposed right to slaughter their unborn children What?!
And God very obviously doesn't think children and fetuses have a birthright to live, what with Him killing them en masse . Whoops for you.
So, again... why are you in the Navy, where it is your duty and job to deprive people of their right to live?
Well, (s)he was a Hospital Corpsman. For all we know (s)he could have spent that whole time working in a Naval hospital somewhere. (In fact, I suspect that may be true. With everything else (s)he put about him/herself, if (s)he had a warfare qualification, it would have been listed after HM3.)
From a guy who was in the Navy 6 years and only achieved E-4.
Well, (s)he may have achieved higher and then lost it. Corpsman make E5 pretty quickly.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it ironic that the more pro-life a fundy is, the more pro-capitol punishment he is? Is killing killing, or is it not? I'm really confused here.
taking an innocent life has always been wrong in the eyes of God
Riiiiight, and all those children that died in the Flood? They were evil sinning bastards, right? Asshat.
See, that's the beauty of pro-choice. You can CHOOSE to have an abortion, or not .
Pro-lifers try to legislate others' thoughts and decisions; pro-choicers try to offer options and let others make their own decisions.
it is my experience that fundies take the bible completely literally and believe it to be uninfluenced. I disagree, but the moron above probably doesn't. I therefore present. psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
I direct you to Hosea 13:16...
"They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. "
And, of course, you extend your love to innocents of all Nations, races and creeds. No? You're full of shit.
Now, presumably, any Christian is not willing to abort.
Via logic, your argument is aimed at people who would abort: not Christians.
Non-Christians do not believe in your God, and thus your argument fails.
You lose.
I have a question for fundies and no-fundies. What if the fater wants the child and the mother doesn´t ? The future child is half responsabilite of the father. I was myself in that sintuation years ago... In the end the girl wasn´t real pregnant. I belived then and I belive now that I have the right to have that children.
Just to ad, if both parents agree, it isn´t anyone else business
@ MK
The US Navy's duty is to ship troops and aircraft and missiles for the purpose of... uh... killing people. How, now, do you justify being in the company of killers?
Ha ha, the "Fighting American Bluejackets" would like to think of themselves as killers (oooRAH!), but Mr. Rats mostly finds himself in the company of swab jockeys and pickers-up of cigarette butts, counting the mind numbingly boring days 'til their release. Been there. It's more like jail, with the advantages of drowning and shark ingestion.
So the babies that had their brains bashed against rocks where not Innocent Life? The children who were mauled by bears were not Innocent either?
The fetuses who are killed in their mothers' wombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, don't they also have a God-given right to live? The children who are killed by mines all over the world each day, what have they done to deserve that?
@ The Brazilian.
I think you have a right to that child. The problem is that it is a fourth-way right: The woman's right to her body, the mother's right to her child, the father's right to his child and the fetus right to be born to loving parents.
Whose right is greater than the others'?
It's a question that must be decided between the two prospecting parents.
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