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(supersport, high school dropout, and biology and medical expert, explains why horizontal gene transfer is the nail in the coffin for evolution)

[This only applies to single celled organisms that can freely move their genes. If this happened in humans we'd never become sick. Our genes would change fast enough to stop everything from the common cold to cancer.

What do you mean by "suppressed"? I learned this in grade 9 biology.]

You are not only wrong, you are missing the point:

antibiotic resistance -- the so-called "proof" for your theory -- is proof of nothing but fairytales. Listen....let me spell it out real easy for you: bacteria do not develop resistance by way of random mutations or natural selection -- they do it by way of physiological, purposeful response. This is a contradiction to your theory. Not only that but this is a perfect example of lamarckian inheritance on the level of the genome. The genome is flexible and changeable just like the phenotype is.

Sorry....try again.

supersport, CARM 21 Comments [3/12/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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3/13/2007 7:01:01 PM

Nedraed

If he ackowledged conscious actions in bacteria, does that not throw his usual worldview into problems as well?

3/13/2007 7:01:16 PM

Mister Spak

Did Supersport just say bacteria can intelligently design their own genes?

3/13/2007 7:02:06 PM

Ambrielle

W.T.F.? Words fail me...
How can this guy get away with spewing complete bullshit every second of the day?
I find it really hard to believe he believes what he's saying.

3/13/2007 7:12:09 PM

ZugTheMegasaurus

Okay, going to go slow here. The bacteria that are antibiotic resistant are not the same bacteria that would be killed by them. They have random mutations that allow a few survive antibiotics. Then, those reproduce. Since they divide with the same genetic makeup, the following generations are also antibiotic resistant.

That's the definition of natural selection and evolution.

3/13/2007 7:37:20 PM

Old Viking

Purposeful response? Damned bacteria are getting smarter all the time.

3/13/2007 11:18:32 PM

John

this is a perfect example of lamarckian inheritance on the level of the genome

No it's not. Somebody read about B.G. Hall's experiment on bacteria evolving the ability to digest lactose, noted that bacteria under stress appear to become more receptive to mutations, read some popular press speculation about the resurrection of Lamarckism and thinks it's been confirmed. Sorry ... try again.

3/14/2007 12:23:56 AM

LM

Is Lamarckian evolution the hot new trend in fundie-land? Seems like that and Geocentrism (well, and that one freak who goes on and on about Nephlim) are hot topics lately in FSDT quotes.

Honestly, this concerns me, as I'm afraid they're getting stupider over a very short period of time. Last year they were babbling about the end of the world (usually regurgitating some weird hybrid of what their gap-toothed pastor fished out of his ass last Sunday and what they remember from the Bestselling Revelation of Saint Tim LaHaye) and this year they don't believe in science that was well established by the classical Greeks. At this rate, next year they'll be fishing termites out of mounds with sticks.

3/14/2007 12:25:23 AM

Wolight

So that's why the attempted cures for AIDS don't work...

3/14/2007 12:58:37 AM

cheapthrills

That smoke we see is wisping from stupidsports ears from his attempt at reasoned thought.

3/14/2007 1:23:59 AM

Matilde

Obviously, you didn´t go further than 9 degree, that´s sure.

3/14/2007 9:01:53 AM

h2whoa

I read this out to the people in my lab. We all laughed.

3/14/2007 11:46:04 AM

ABeastOfPrey

Occam's Razor disagrees.

3/14/2007 4:35:44 PM

Osiris

Isn't it cute when these morons think they know something?

3/20/2007 8:57:31 AM

Ambrielle

It would just be easier for them if they flatly denied DNA, genetics, mutation exists. They wouldn't have to bother coming up with hypotheses like the above.
It would be no worse than some of the other things they say. Especially supersport...

3/20/2007 5:46:09 PM

David B.

<Stepping back for a minute...>

It is not a stupid idea to speculate that something other that NS is involved in antibiotic resistance. Higher organisms (us for example) can acquire immunity through metabolic rather than genetic processes. Add to that horizontal gene transfer and you have quite an interesting idea.

<...and breathe out.>

But it is not supported by evidence. Kurland, Canback and Berg's 2003 paper Horizontal gene transfer: A critical view is unequivocal.

It has been suggested that horizontal gene transfer (HGT) is the \"essence of phylogeny.\" In contrast, much data suggest that this is an exaggeration resulting in part from a reliance on inadequate methods to identify HGT events. In addition, the assumption that HGT is a ubiquitous influence throughout evolution is questionable. Instead, rampant global HGT is likely to have been relevant only to primitive genomes. In modern organisms we suggest that both the range and frequencies of HGT are constrained most often by selective barriers. As a consequence those HGT events that do occur most often have little influence on genome phylogeny. Although HGT does occur with important evolutionary consequences, classical Darwinian lineages seem to be the dominant mode of evolution for modern organisms.


[Abstract]

3/20/2007 6:03:33 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Dem bacteria is smart!

12/29/2010 9:09:09 AM

JonathanE

Stupor-spurt strikes again.

The classics are always the best.



12/29/2010 9:17:53 AM

Pulpo Oscuro

What? He just invented his own proof and then said it was a rock-solid contradiction of something hundreds of thousands of people have spent decades proving.

6/16/2011 3:33:48 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Oh

It's stupidspurt.

Nevermind

11/3/2013 9:21:47 AM

the good samaritan

No, sir, you try again. Come back when you've had a fit of sanity and we'll start from there.

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