(In response to members who enjoyed the movie "300".)
It was Christ who singlehandedly "jump started" humanity back to life...not some gang of skirt wearing, pagan worshipping, cavemen from Greece...
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The civilisation you´re enjoying is due, in part, to them, so revise the term cavemen and apply it better to you. I enjoy this brave pagans, more enlighted than some fundy idiots like you.
These pagan 'cave-men' gave us democracy (from demos kratus "rule by the people"), philosophy (from philo sophos "love of wisdom"), formal logic (from logos "the word"), theatre (from theatron "the viewing place"), and history (from historia "an inquiry").
Which is pretty much a list of things fundies aren't keen on!
Oh, and they also gave us asceticism (from askesis "practice/exercise") as in "Ascetic Crusader". Of course the "crusader" bit is entirely Christian in origin, and they are welcome to it!
"Gang?" No, they were a highly organized and disciplined people.
"Skirt Wearing?" OK, yeah, by modern standards I suppose you could call it a "skirt," but that was the norm for the time, idiot, and making fun of them for that is just plain ignorant. As a Scotsman, I see no shame in wearing a "skirt," as you call it. Neither did the Romans, or the Turks, or the Poles, or the Italians, etc., etc. (And if you watched the movie, they were all wearing leather speedos and red cloaks which, let's face it, is way more gay than a skirt.)
"Pagan?" Criticizing a pre-Christian culture for not being Christian takes balls, even for a fundie.
"Cavemen?" Never seen an ancient Greecian city, have you? If you want a taste of it, just go to Washington, half of all the government buildings are copies of their architectual style.
"From Greece?" Nope, sorry, wrong again. They were from the independant city-state of Sparta, not a then-nonexistant nation called "Greece." (Although if you meant that as a geographic term, then I guess you got one detail correct.)
Criticizing a pre-Christian culture for not being Christian takes balls, even for a fundie.
Nah, they do it all the time. All those who lived before Christ are in hell, after all.
To be fair, they may be criticizing them for not being Jews? Except they don't like the Jews... hmm.
This is madness.
Madness? This is Christian Forums!
Okay, that didn't turn out as well as it could have, but meh.
I am of the opinion that Jesus 'borrowed' a great deal of Socrates' philosophy. It's moot, of course, because the fundies patently pay no attention to Jesus' philosophy to begin with.
I am hoping that even fundamentalists have heard of Socrates...and maybe even read a few of his thoughts, before they consigned him to hell.
It was Christ who singlehandedly "jump started" humanity back to life...
BACK to life? Greece, Rome, and Egypt had it pretty good before Jesus. The fall of the Roman Empire came right after Jeebus too.
not some gang of skirt wearing,
Jesus wore a skirt.
pagan worshipping,
The Greeks didn't take their religion seriously/literally, unlike you.
cavemen from Greece...
Contradiction. The Greeks have always been some of the most civilized people on Earth. So were the Persians, in fact, but in a different way. The Greeks were against genocide, gladiators, racism, and a lot of other things the Romans or Jews supported.
Pagan worshipping??
"Oh great pagan, how I doth worship you"
Also, I have evidence that Jesus wore a skirt. And makeup.
It's written down i a sacred book.
I'm not going to show it to you though, you'll have to have faith.
Trust me.
religious fundamentalists of ALL stripes hate free thought, and rational thought, and science, and philosophy, and The Enlightenment....
why not just admit it, religious fundamentalists hate everything that make Western society to a large extent what it is today.
There's a place that would welcome your lack of advanced thought, though: Saudi Arabia. or Iran! Better yet, take a step back about 60,000 years.
funny, considering the greeks wore robes, not skirts, paganism was a roman religion and they one of the most advanced civilisations at the time, much more so that the israelis
@Robbie
Thanks for setting us all straight (so to speak) here. There are quite a few things I think I did when I was really, really drunk, but I am SO glad to hear that Jesus did them instead. Next time I throw up on someone, I'll just say: "That was totally Jesus!"
One of the Coptic codices contained a fragment from Plato's Republic. Yes, Jesus understood the wisdom of those "cavemen" of yours.
You're confusing the Attics with the Spartans, though. Spartans fought sans speedos, and only had sex with women for reproductive reasons, according to Herodotus.
It's too bad Constantine "T-boned" christianity with that bible.
I thought it was about the Spartsans holding Thermopylae: valour, bravery, and honour (and the Spartan Sacred Band of queer lovers protecting each other, and fighting for each othe's honour. Better than most fundies would or could!!
Puck:
It would be interesting to see what Christianity would be like if some other, less... er... eclectic emperor had taken up the cause, wouldn't it? Constantine was like an Electric Monk -- never met a dogma he wasn't interested in following.
I like to think that the "real" Christ visited Siddhartha, Mencius, Zoroaster and Socrates, among others. The Nazarene's revealed mission was to negate the influence of the abrahamic god. Didn't work out that way...a big round of applause to Saul of Tarsus for fucking it all up...
I'd like to crawl into Constantine's head, Brian X, but I'm sure that the biblical doctrine had jelled by that point, and he had no reason to be dissatisfied with the net effect.
I'm reminded of the truism that religion means 'salvation' for the masses, profit for the priesthood, and a useful tool for princes.
I resent the slurs you have chosen to tar my ancestors with. The Greeks were not "some gang of skirt wearing, pagan worshipping, cavemen." They did not worship pagans, they worshipped a multitude of gods, some of whose characteristics have been incorporated into Christian imagery and Western culture. The Gospels were first written in Ancient Greek, the common language of the time, not English. I don't know which nationality you are, but I'd bet that my ancestors were a whole lot more advanced than yours and that your ancestors would bear closer resemblance to cavemen. It is because of those "cavemen" that you enjoy democracy today and the basic freedoms that come with it.
And while the movie "300" may have been inaccurate, at least it showed that the Spartan army was not trying to "jump start" humanity, it was trying to protect its homeland from invading conquerors. Yes, Sparta had many serious flaws in its society and some of its traditions could be considered barbaric today, but the importance of Thermopylae was that the Spartans stopped the Persian advance long enough for the Athenians to later defeat Persia at Salamis. If the Greeks had lost, Western society would not be what it is today. So shove off, you ignorant, ungrateful moron.
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