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(From "How to rear Children" by by Dr. Jack Hyles)

1. Let the child realize that you are simply representing God in the execution of the punishment. Explain to him that parents represent God before their children and that they are ministers to execute His judgment. Psalm 103:13 says, "Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear Him." So God is like a father and He chooses fathers and mothers to represent Him in the punishing of little children. Let the child realize that if you as a parent do not punish him properly, you are being disobedient to God and committing the same sin the child is committing. Explain to him that you are a child of God and if you refuse to obey God in the execution of His judgment upon your children, God will pour out His wrath upon you. For you to be a good child of God requires that you be a good parent to the child. Let him understand this. He will get the idea that God is a holy and just God, One Who loves and yet One Who wants us to become out best. For this to be so He must punish us when we are deserving.

2. Sometimes spanking should leave stripes on the child. Proverbs 20:30 says, "The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil; so do stripes the inward parts of the belly." Our natural man rebels a such punishment, but we are reminded in I Corinthians 2:14 that the natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit. Hence, we have to trust the God Who knows more than we and obey Him.
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10. The spanking should be administered firmly. It should be painful and it should last until the child's will is broken. It should last until the child is crying not tears of anger but tears of a broken will. As long as he is stiff, grits his teeth, holds on to his own will, the spanking should continue.

Dr. Jack Hyles, Jesus Is Lord 141 Comments [4/4/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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noself

Let's extend his supposed logic. So if people are to god as children are to parents and rebellion must be eradicated and will broken....then what's with the constant special pleading of free will?

And if people can't understand \"the things of the Spirit\" then there goes organized religion as well.

But if we are separately able to determine the morality of any given situation, then his entire edifice collapses because the imperative would be to bring understanding of the child's behavior and not break the will of an ignorant child.

And even if we were to accept the supposition that a child does not understand, then his approach is no better than treating a child like an animal or even perhaps simply an automation.

4/5/2007 7:38:28 AM

Winston Jen

All that is gonna do is teach children that violence solves problems and make them bitter for revenge when they grow up.

4/5/2007 7:43:39 AM

Fanatic-Templar

So God says unto the parent: 'break the will of your child just as I have broken yours, so that he will obey you no matter how much you abuse him. Thank me for kicking you in the face, you snivelling worm.'

God must be an inspiration to Dark Lords everywhere. He makes Sauron look like an amateur and reduced Vader to a pathetic wannabe.

4/5/2007 7:45:07 AM

Raskolnikov

With this kind of methods, depending on the brightness of the child, you can get anything from a phobic religious nut to a religion-bashing atheist, with somewhere in the middle of the scale the ignorant cowardly religious type.

4/5/2007 8:15:44 AM

Captain Janeway

Congratulations. You're raising children to be the next generation of abusers.

I hope this asshole is prosecuted as soon as some dimwit kills their kid with hois techniques.

4/5/2007 9:21:04 AM

MK

I think we've seen this here before.

Just not for a long time.

If we have, a worthy repeat.

4/5/2007 10:54:06 AM

Gnomist

Torture, then.

4/5/2007 11:13:12 AM

Lya kahlo

So Christianity is child abuse, after all.

4/5/2007 11:20:17 AM

jo_27e

i would love nothing more than to kill you as slowly and painfully as possible and savour your pain, pain you have infliced on and convinced others to inflict on children.

but i dont want to stoop to your level

4/5/2007 11:23:26 AM

JD

I hope they arrest you for using your 'title' to try and influence people into comitting such atrocities.

Besides, if you \"can't understand the things of the spirit\" then fucking stop trying to BEAT an understanding of it, when you don't yourself by your own admission, into other people.

Fucking monster

4/5/2007 11:34:38 AM

Redhunter

Stepdad? when did you become a Dr.?
Well, doesn't that beat all?

4/5/2007 12:08:54 PM

solomongrundy

Here's a interesting page about Dr Jack Hyles:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hyles/sin.htm

Seems he was an adulterer who diverted large amounts of Church funds to his married lover, while his wife posed for group sex advertisments in porno mags.
The preacher son he raised so perfectly had affairs with some nineteen women at his church too.

4/5/2007 12:54:13 PM

Wet Walnuts

Beat your kids for Jeezus.

4/5/2007 1:13:13 PM

Ms. Demenor

10. The spanking should be administered firmly. It should be painful and it should last until the child's will is broken. It should last until the child is crying not tears of anger but tears of a broken will. As long as he is stiff, grits his teeth, holds on to his own will, the spanking should continue.\"


I think I'm going to be sick. This is f*cking child abuse.

4/5/2007 1:20:26 PM

Fed Up

Someone report this guy to the authorities. Or just shoot him.

4/5/2007 1:25:08 PM

NotMe

Just how did \"pitieth\" become \"punished\"? I dothink that one deals in forgiving and mercy and the other in exactly the opposite.

4/5/2007 1:59:54 PM

NonProphet

Stay away from children. You're a horrible person and unfit as a parent; your track record is a testimony to your twisted morals. I hope the authorities catch you before you cause even more harm to those around you.

4/5/2007 2:11:26 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

This is just too awful for a snarky comment; I couldn't even stand to read through what was excerpted here. I hope this scum is jailed for child abuse.

4/5/2007 2:13:13 PM

The Watcher

God save your kid from you, Jack.

4/5/2007 2:14:38 PM

Bunyip Girl

Here's some background info on the good doc. Seems that he is even too wacky for other christians.
http://www.biblicalevangelist.org/jack_hyles_preface.php

Here are some first hand accounts of him and his exploits.

What an evil scary dude.

It also shows what became of his son and the outcome of the physical abuse. :(

http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/3463.html?1174440819


4/5/2007 3:19:15 PM

TDR

please tell me this guy doesn't have a published work... his own website... or any kind of FOLLOWING. This is grotesque.

4/5/2007 3:24:25 PM

Rahab

Hey, what's the number for CPS again?

4/5/2007 3:40:18 PM


4/5/2007 4:00:46 PM

Haywood Jablomy

I see that Hyles died in 2001.

I also noticed in that Biblical Evangelist article that Hyles was a friend of John R. Rice of \"Sword of the Lord\" ministries. Fundies of a feather...

4/5/2007 4:03:01 PM

EspadaDelDios

I looked over most of the links posted to find out some more information about this guy. I've never been more disgusted and horrified in my life. It looks like he passed away but nott with out doing damagae.

4/5/2007 4:40:13 PM
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