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[Replying to 'Can God make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?']Not only can God create the unliftable rock, but He could also lift it. Again, why could He not? If your answer is simply because it does not make sense, then you are right in the effect that it seems to not make sense. However, by doing so you are trying to restrict God to the level of your intellect (and I grant your intellect is quite impressive, but not equal to God's).

edgtheo, Rapture Ready 26 Comments [2/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Toga

You say God can't create a rock \"he\" can't lift and complain he's limiting God's power?

12/8/2006 3:09:04 AM

AriseNow

Wow, Christian doublethink at its finest.

12/8/2006 3:18:34 AM

Amos

God can do what's practically impossible, such as collecting every yellow M&M ever made.
God can do what's physically impossible, such as breaking the laws of physics.
But virtually nobody has ever been afraid to guess that God can not do the logically impossible.

12/8/2006 3:31:46 AM

MILF-chan

Doubleplusgood doublethink bellyfeel goodthink. Bible prolefeed goodmake crimestopful.

12/8/2006 3:38:45 AM

Julian

Sorry God only has the strength of an unicorn and cannot beat iron chariots. Read your KJV.

You lose.

Also, is a liftable \"unliftable rock\" like McDonald's in Australia using \"100% All Australian Beef Patties™\". They're made by the \"100% All Australian Beef Company\", and contain less than 30% beef - and I daresay that's all assholes.

12/8/2006 3:38:48 AM

HypnoToad

Well, logically, an all-powerful being would be able to diminish his own power, so he would be able to create a rock that he couldn't lift. It would follow that he'd be kinda screwed at that point. But yeah, everybody stop using that argument.

This dude's an idiot though.

12/8/2006 6:19:22 AM

God

Let me settle this once and for all. I tried the rock thing once. By breaking all logic, the universe went screwy and lots of glitches came about. Including these self-aware monkeys. I'll get rid of them in the next bugfix patch for Universe v0.7.3

3/17/2007 10:15:20 PM

Brian X

See, what we've got going here is a person who is incapable of understanding that the very idea of omnipotence is incoherent at best, so instead he makes an indirect argument from adverse consequences. It doesn't really answer the question, but how often do fundy responses do that?

3/17/2007 11:34:00 PM

cyvr

Could God microwave a burrito so hot, that he himself could not eat it?

3/18/2007 6:05:15 AM

Dreamstrider

Well actually this idea makes sense, in a twisted sort of way. If it was that God was above all then it would also make sense that he could defy the logic that he himself created :) But I guess this might not be the right place to post a forum that supports fundy logic *Prepares to be flamed*

2/7/2008 8:07:06 AM

King Duncan

Segmentation fault; core dumped.

2/7/2008 8:53:55 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Could he create an enemy so tough that he could not whup him?

2/7/2008 10:43:55 AM

spinn

Ironically I was just talking about this today. I'm an athiest, but the guy's right. If you start with the presumption that God is omnipotent, then he can create such a rock. He can also lift the rock. It makes no logical sense, but the whole point of being omnipotent is to be able to do anything.

2/7/2008 6:05:47 PM

Riin-thrall

If God is omnipotent, he can create a rock which he can't lift; but if he can lift it, then the first point is not actually fulfilled as - by definition - one can't lift a rock which one can't lift. If God lifts the rock, then he hasn't created a rock which he can't lift. It's still a paradox, but then omnipotence is a paradox by default.

If we're to argue that God would have the power to lower his strength to the point where he couldn't lift the rock after the fact (which is reasonable) then we need only extend the question: "Can God make a rock so heavy that he - even with the full force of omnipotent strength - cannot lift it?" In other words, can God create a rock so heavy that - without diminishing his own strength - he can't lift it? If he has to diminish his strength in order to be unable to lift the rock, then he can't create a rock which can't be lifted by an entity with infinite strength, ergo he is still not omnipotent.

Frankly, the very concept of omnipotence is even more nonsensical than omniscience. It just doesn't hold to anything.

4/24/2008 8:15:53 PM

RandomAnon

The question isn't can he make the rock then lift it, it's can he make one that he can't lift. Given your answer I'd say you're getting at the idea that he couldn't make one that was too heavy for him to lift.

4/24/2008 8:55:02 PM

Goldarn

God can, indeed, make a rock so heavy He cannot lift it.

That's why He created Chuck Norris.

4/24/2008 9:11:18 PM

PhysicsPhil

The solution is actually very simple, God just has to make sure there is no mass in that universe except in the rock. This makes lifting the rock impossible because the operation becomes undefined, and the problem then reduces to the square circle problem.

9/8/2010 5:36:03 AM

Justanotheratheist

I grant that your intellect is equal to that of a rock, and that your God's omnipotence is at about the same level.

9/8/2010 8:14:53 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Not only can God create the unliftable rock, but He could also lift it"

Ah, but that's the point of the exercise: if said rock is liftable, then God couldn't create it to be so heavy even he couldn't lift it. Thus God isn't 'omnipotent', thus he's not 'God', therefore he's a contradiction to himself, ergo he doesn't exist. QED

"However, by doing so you are trying to restrict God to the level of your intellect (and I grant your intellect is quite impressive, but not equal to God's)."

If his 'intellect' is supposedly superior to mine, let's see him build a wheel on the Biblical basis that Pi = exactly 3:



Or a 2-sided triangle.



'I'm laughing at the superior intellect'

-James T. Kirk*, "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"

@Goldarn

"God can, indeed, make a rock so heavy He cannot lift it.

That's why He created Chuck Norris."

To become a milksop, nancy-boy, milquetoast God-rimming Jesusfag. Before then, Chuck was inferior to nobody; even God was his bitch. Way to go chuck, you twat, destroying an entire genre of jokes. He is dead to me now (at least Bruce Lee owned him in "Way of the Dragon". PROTIP: Bruce was an Atheist).

[/rant]

*- And he even out-thought God in "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier": "What does God need with a starship?". Thus even Kirk is intellectually superior to God.

9/8/2010 8:23:35 AM

GigaGuess

So if God can make a rock he can't life, and then lift it, then he in fact cannot make a rock he cannot lift. Sorry bucko.

9/8/2010 8:28:23 AM

Philbert McAdamia

edgetheo, I grant your intellect is quite impressive, but not equal to a gnat's.


@ cyvr
Could God microwave a burrito so hot, that he himself could not eat it?

It would still be cold in the center.

9/8/2010 9:20:11 AM

Canuovea

Technically that isn't a fallacy.

Sure, God can, if omnipotent, create a rock too heavy for him to lift...

But then God is no longer omnipotent as there is something He could not do... so... it would be like asking God to destroy Himself, in a sense.

8/20/2011 2:31:52 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Forget the rock.

It is your lot that insists that god can't endure the presence of those who don't believe in him in exactly the right way (i.e., your way). It is you who insist that god cannot overlook honest mistakes, even among those who genuinely love your god, simply because they are not following the exact same path that you are.

The ones who are acknowledging the existence of an omnipotent god and then casually limiting its capabilities are you!

9/5/2011 6:54:37 AM

rubber chicken

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we really want to know is.... How many angels can dance on the head of a pin ?

9/5/2011 9:27:43 AM

DasUberKaiser

It's perfectly simple: If God can't make a rock to heavy to lift, then there is something he can't do. If he can, then he can't lift the rock, then there is something he can't do. Either way, he is not omnipotent.

8/1/2013 10:37:25 AM
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