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#222219
schoolmarm
Blackwhite!
5/1/2007 6:41:03 AM
#222225
Matilde
If God wanted us solely to be doormats, he wouldn´t have given us free will, to begin with.
5/1/2007 7:02:27 AM
#222248
Redhunter
And the hallucinations one sees on LSD increases your grasp on reality.
That's some balloon animal reasoning right there.
5/1/2007 7:31:55 AM
#222253
Lunalelle
I started out with a completely open heart. I was conservative and almost fundie until seventeen.
Then reality hit. If God really wanted me, he'd make himself known in better ways rather than constantly convince me he doesn't exist.
5/1/2007 7:45:27 AM
#222256
Beccs
Free will is the constant fallback of the fundie.
5/1/2007 7:55:31 AM
#222257
Mac
This guy can't even spell \"our\" correctly. What do you expect?
5/1/2007 7:56:17 AM
#222268
The_Boids
...if you resist every attempt he makes to reach out to you then he has no choice.
How can an omnipotent being have no choice?
The bible is not without flaw...
Understatement of the Year Award!
...but I believe that is so so that we don't complacently rely on it.
So what should we rely on, our own judgement? Logic? Empirical facts? Blasphemer! Now you've really pissed HIM off.
The doubt created by the fallibility of the bible increases our faith.
In other words, the more wrongheaded something is the more reason there is to believe it. Congratulations, you may be \"saved\" yet.
5/1/2007 8:33:39 AM
#222312
Laurel
Sing it! \"Our gooood is a stalker god...\"
5/1/2007 9:58:57 AM
#222316
Aethernaut
Yeah, our faith in Bizarro World where, fallibility is infallibility, wrong is right, and cats and dogs shack up together.
5/1/2007 10:13:44 AM
#222330
Socialisation, or Indoctrination, if you'd like to use that word occurs from the social surroundings of any person. Organised religion is part of that; so whilst all people are born without religion; these notions are developed in them.
Just look at Santa.
5/1/2007 11:50:23 AM
#222366
Coffee
This kind of reasoning gives me mental whiplash.
God gave us free will so we could voluntarily love him, but if we exercise our free will and don't love him, he has NO CHOICE but to send us to Hell? That makes his \"gift\" of free will completely fucking useless, doesn't it? \"Love me or I'll hurt you\" is the motto of a stalker and an abuser, not a supposedly higher deity.
The Bibble was designed to be fallible to increase our faith? Gawd revealed his holy message to humanity but inserted lots of mistakes and contradictions so we wouldn't rely on it? Then why give us his message in the first place?
TreeofSephri should get some kind of Mental Gymnastics Gold Medal Award for this.
5/1/2007 12:59:42 PM
#222370
Puck
Where does Jesus fit in? You know, the liberal hippie?
5/1/2007 1:04:28 PM
#222383
Papabear
\"God gave us all free will for one purpose so that we could voluntarily love him.\"
And, he threatens you with hell so that you'll be sure to voluntarily love him.
\"The doubt created by the fallibility of the bible increases our faith.\"
That's the stupidest thing I've read this week. Well, OK, in a day or two, but it's still really, really stupid. It's like saying, instead of putting up a \"bridge out\" sign, we put up a Burma Shave ad to increase your safety.
5/1/2007 1:15:34 PM
#222390
Winston Jen
How about a Tom Hagen Award for this Consigliere? :) Then again, we'd be making him look bad. Tom, that is.
\"God does not want to punish you he wants to love you but if you resist every attempt he makes to reach out to you then he has no choice.\"
Yeah, right. An omnipotent being ALWAYS has a choice. Why does perfect justice involve eternal vengeance?
Even I wouldn't punish my worst enemy for all eternity.
5/1/2007 1:28:27 PM
#222405
\"but if you resist every attempt he makes to reach out to you\"
Attempts such as what? Wow, you prayed and found your car keys. Impressive! Where were they, up your ass? You're an idiot.
5/1/2007 2:38:25 PM
#222413
Madame Scarlet
Yes... he loves us so much, that if we don't love him back, he just has to send us to an eternity of torture.
If all that bullshit about, \"If you don't love him back he has no choice,\" were true, it would make a lot more sense that people who didn't love him back just didn't get to spend eternity with him, and instead spend it in some kind of limbo. Or, better yet, we don't get an eternity.
5/1/2007 3:19:42 PM
#222422
Osiris
See this is why Purgatory was in the original Christian doctrine. Hell is something the Catholics made up.
5/1/2007 3:25:04 PM
#222449
Puck
[omniscient voice]
I ARE GOD! I CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT.
THE BEST I CAN HOPE FOR ARE STUPID PEOPLE TO JERK AROUND.
I LIKES STUPID. IT ARE FUN TO PLAY WITH.
[/om]
5/1/2007 4:24:28 PM
#222479
BurntBush
Wait, What?
5/1/2007 5:12:02 PM
#222484
Tzelemel
Meh, this ain't really fundie. It's rather bizarre, but not really fundie...
5/1/2007 5:22:04 PM
#222507
tracer
God loves you and wants the very best for you.
This is evidenced by the fact that God created Hell and Satan.
5/1/2007 6:17:21 PM
#222586
John
if you resist every attempt he makes to reach out to you then he has no choice.
Sure he has a choice. He's God, the Lord of the Universe, isn't he? Besides, if he really wanted to reach out to people, he'd appear on the Six O'Clock News and be done with it. How can he blame people for not believing in him when he's invisible?
5/1/2007 8:42:20 PM
#222609
Old Viking
Marquis de Sade Award.
5/1/2007 8:59:26 PM
#222611
Old Viking
Marquis de Sade Award.
5/1/2007 9:00:27 PM
#222705
Sans_Deity
What better love could you ask for than the love that tortures?
What better proof than absurdity?
The Bible is so crazy, it must be true - no one would seriously make shit like this up.
Using his reasoning, my lack of faith is actually the ultimate faith.
5/1/2007 10:29:05 PM
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