Quote# 24527

[Responding to a poster asking why Mithras, Attis, and Dionysus have similar stories to Jesus.]

There are promises throughout the bible that God's Word was preached to "every creature." Just as men corrupt the bible today (400 Christian denominations), why wouldn't you think men thousands of years ago were taking the Word of God and re-writing it for their own benefit? In a few thousand years, if you have your bible in hand and unearth a book of Morman, will you contend that the bible copied Joseph Smith or vice versa?

Tychicus1769, Youtube 30 Comments [5/1/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Maybe we know that the Greek mythology et al are older than the NT, just like we know that the NT is older than the book of mormon. It's just a matter of objective history, not religion.

5/1/2007 8:41:23 PM

Madame Scarlet

We know that the Bible predates the book of Mormon.

5/1/2007 8:58:21 PM


TARDIS for Jesus Award?

Dear Fundie,

Just so you know the stories of Mithras, Attis and Dionysus predate (that means came before) the story of Jesus.

5/1/2007 8:59:11 PM


Well, it´s explainable bearing in mind that Dyonisus, Mitthras and Attis are mentioned at least 200 years before Christ is. That is. And by the way, do you know who they were?

5/1/2007 9:15:20 PM


TARDIS for Jesus award seconded! :D

5/1/2007 10:06:38 PM


Just so you'll know Tychicus. Mithras is the Hertzgovinian god of myths, Attis is the Khazakistani god of attics, and Dionysus is the Polynesian god of dinosaurs. Now impress all your friends(people who know you)with your great intellect(smarts) by telling them this.

5/1/2007 10:06:53 PM


So, he's basically saying the Bible was copying someone else? This makes perfect sense to me, especially considering the number of other religions with a crucifixion story.

5/1/2007 10:11:24 PM

The Watcher

Ah, so God gave His \"word\" to every culture? So basically, any one of those myths would be a-okay with God and would get you into Heaven?

5/1/2007 10:12:26 PM


Yeah but here's the problem: We know for a fact that those legends preceed the story of Jesus by thousands of years.

5/1/2007 10:25:09 PM

richard skidmark

\"re-writing it for their own benefit\"


5/1/2007 10:28:29 PM


Tardis, perfect, but whom do you think they'll credit for making it bigger on the inside than it looks from without?

5/1/2007 10:32:14 PM


Wasn't the story of Jesus plagiarised from those aforementioned others?

5/1/2007 11:11:34 PM


Tardis for Jesus thirded!

5/1/2007 11:18:38 PM

Old Viking

The Bible was preceded by these myths and a great many like them. There were at least a dozen god-men who died and came back to life long, long before anyone heard of Jesus. There was a window of about 1500 years during which you couldn't join the Gods' Bowling League if you hadn't risen from the dead. By the time Jesus got around to it, it was a cheap parlor trick.

Try learning some non-Bible history and save yourself embarrassment.

5/1/2007 11:29:20 PM

Wet Walnuts

I've heard similar arguments before, e.g. that those myths were intended to herald the coming of Christ, etc. This is even dumber than that idea.

5/2/2007 12:01:02 AM


This remidns me of that page of Cap's site (\"Back-To-School Special\") where Cappyman claims that the cross came before the Ankh and the Ankh was mocking the cross, despite the Egyptian ankh coming long before crucifixion....and how could the Egyptains possibly know to mock something that hadn't become a religious symbol yet??

Someone should post that page on FSTDT....

5/2/2007 12:13:13 AM


This evokes a philosophic-oid speculation:

Let us suppose that the Universal Human Truth had made itself known to all the various peoples of the world, independently and consistently. Tribal shamans were entitled to meld their specific understanding of same into their tribal cultures and, as they usually chose, lend credence therewith to their local tribal gods.

These universal truths [Never drink downstream from the herd, don't forget to wipe, rub her feet, etc] had been passed down via the oral tradition until metropolitan centers developed [ca 4000 BC] and subsequently recorded as soon as writing was developed.

Socrates and Mencius were essentially expounding on the same wisdom, in Athens and China, at roughly the same era [four centuries or so BC].

The scripture that managed to prevail in Europe, and consequently the new world, was tailored for middle-eastern sheepherders and the townies of the time, who seemed to be essentially belligerent misogynist assholes.

Jesus [as quoted in the gospel of Thomas] said much the same thing as Socrates, as did his contemporary Hillel the Elder...Descartes updated it to the context of 15th-century Europe, and the wheels of Enlightenment started rolling.

As to the modern theists, the god of a surgeon doesn't necessarily share the attributes of the astrophysicist's god...but the god of a FundaBap preacher is essentially a god of slaves. Curiously, the Universal Human Truth is lacking with this god...or, it is simply overwhelmed by the attendant poisonous bullshit.

5/2/2007 1:06:27 AM


Well, since The Book of Mormon clearly indicates that it is an \"additional\" book of scripture intended to be read in concert with the KJV, I suspect that I would pretty much figure it out.

Bad example, Tychicus1769. I see a pattern of writing without fully considering what you are saying in your posts.

5/2/2007 1:59:55 AM


TARDIS for Jesus Award- I agree.

Come on, even christians should know that egyptian and greek mythology predate the bile.

So does Zoroastrianism, and all the *other* myths and beliefs that Christianity and its predessesor ripped off.

5/2/2007 2:51:23 AM


But all of the cited examples predate christianity by several centuries. Isn't it more likely that when Paul was assembling the Jesus myth, he would have used source material he was familiar with?

5/2/2007 6:49:07 AM


You fail big.

5/2/2007 7:04:52 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Well, considering the myths mentioned pre-date Christianity...

5/2/2007 9:01:46 AM


Yes, and the Old Testament predates the epic of Gilgamesh. Sheeeeeeit.

5/2/2007 9:05:21 AM


Difficult to corrupt something that hadn't been written yet. Try again.

And \"TARDIS for Jesus\" award n'thed.

5/2/2007 1:05:41 PM


There are over 1000 Christian denominations.

5/2/2007 6:33:16 PM

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