Atheists have taken dishonesty to new and ludicrous heights by pretending to have sought high and low for evidence that God exists and, supposedly failing to find such evidence, have wandered off into the darkness mumbling that "there ain't no God." The problem being with this scenario, of course, is that the so-called evidence they have "examined" has been hand-selected to provide the pre-determined desired "proof" of the lack of God's existence. All evidence which WOULD prove the existence of God is, on one bogus pretext or another, disallowed. God is perfectly capable of proving His own existence--the problem is He can only work with open minds.
If atheists were REALLY interested in proof of God's existence, each one of them would look within themselves, find out what the inner need is which drives them to deny the obvious, get that need healed or met as the case may be, and start living like rational children of God. That worked well for me.
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All RIGHT. This is just one big steaming pile of fail. A minor point:
Bow, God! Bow before the apparently unlimited power of my closed-mindedness! Clearly it is the only thing preventing him from materializing in the modern world, performing universe-altering miracles, and ending all suffering! I am the immovable object to his unstoppable force! I am the only thing preventing everlasting happiness from embracing the globe, because I happen to find some parts of the bible to be, in my experience, a bit dubious!
Because of my background I know more about Christianity -- history, philosophy, doctrine, dogma, apologetics -- than you ever will. That's why I'm an atheist.
God is perfectly capable of proving His own existence Invisible Gardener . How does an invisible, intangible God differ from no God at all? In 2,500 years, no one has come up with a successful proof that God exists, and likewise, no one has come up with a proof that He doesn't exist. Ephraimanesti is not likely to succeed where so many smarter than he have failed.
Atheists have taken dishonesty to new and ludicrous heights by pretending to have sought high and low for evidence that God exists and, supposedly failing to find such evidence, have wandered off into the darkness mumbling that "there ain't no God." you to prove it, not with us to disprove it. We don't have to go looking for evidence of the thing you say exists. We simply sit back and watch as you fail to produce any. We're not the one's claiming that an invisible angry sky fairy is going to fry us for eternity, why should we be required to prove it for you?
-pb
God is perfectly capable of proving His own existence--the problem is He can only work with open minds.
anevilme:
If God doesn´t manifest himself to our eyes, there is no way in which he can work with "open mindness". It´s more natural to believe that there is probably no god or gods than there is one or several. However, we´ll never find someone who can demostrate or refute its existence.
@ephraimanesti
All evidence which WOULD prove the existence of God is, on one bogus pretext or another, disallowed. God is perfectly capable of proving His own existence--the problem is He can only work with open minds.
Not really, most Christians usually say you have to basically believe in God before you are going to get any "evidence". That's not an open mind. That's wishful thinking, which evidently leads to a closed mind.
@ephraimanestiIf atheists were REALLY interested in proof of God's existence, each one of them would look within themselves, find out what the inner need is which drives them to deny the obvious, get that need healed or met as the case may be, and start living like rational children of God.
I'm not denying the obvious and you are not being rational.
Anyhow, the inner need is the need for truth. I don't want want to lie to myself just to make myself feel good (nor bad, if you are into self-flagellation). I rather deal with the reality. As far as I'm concerned this is very healthy. It's you who could use some healing.
In fact, I'm NOT interested in your so-called "proof", because I've also concluded that if there IS a supreme being, he's also a SUPREME ASSHOLE. :-D
Please stop pretending you know what I'm thinking!
"If we look back at the begining we shall find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that fancy, enthusiasm, or deceit adorned or disfigured them; that weakness worships them; that credulity preserves them; and that custom, respect and tyranny support them, in order to make the blindness of man serve their own interest. If the ignorance of nature gave birth to Gods, the knowledge of nature is calculated to destroy them."
--Baron d'Holbach [18th-century philosopher]
"You can only see the evidence for god if you believe in god"
No, fundamentalist Christians take dishonesty to new heights by lying about the Constitution, homosexuals, Muslims, atheists, evolution, and anything else they don't like.
I've looked within myself years ago, through the help of CAT scan and MRI, but no God was visible anywhere in my brain. No tumors either, luckily enough.
Atheists don't need to find evidence for any deities; that is the work of religious people, to find evidence for their particular deity.
I was brought up as a Christian, not particularly fundie though. I have read quite a few parts of the Bible, and I know some parts by heart, like parts of the gospel of Luke which refers to the birth of Jesus, and parts of the Song of Songs (and I know what it's called in English as well as in Swedish), I only know those parts in Swedish though.
Rational children, yes.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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