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Deut 22:28-29 is also a 'women's rights' law. A man rapes a virgin. In that culture no one would be willing to marry her after that, and so she would live in shame with her parents for the rest of her life. After her parents died she might well have had noone to provide for her. And there were few career options for women back then. Prostitute or begger pretty much covered it. So this horrible thing happens, a man rapes a virgin. What is then to be done about it? What would be the most corrective thing to do about the damage done in that cultural context? What is the most just and moral way to address such a horrible situation once it occurs? Solution ... the man gets stuck with caring for her for the rest of his life. She becomes his wife (which he surely was not looking for) rather than merely being his victim. Instead of the parents having to provide for her in shame the rest of her life, she becomes the WIFE of this man. He's not going to rape very many virgins with this law being enforced. He would go broke very quickly doing so.

Christian, Internet Infidels 12 Comments [3/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Or, God could have put a law in there saying \"Thou shalt treat thy women as actual human beings instead of pieces of property.\"

1/26/2007 8:49:55 PM


Taken in the context of the time period and the remarkably fucked up attitudes towards women then, I agree with Christian. Unfortunately, when you have very little place in society and your survival relies on either your parents or your husband, surely the lesser of two evils is to marry your rapist and, you know, eat.

1/26/2007 8:53:55 PM

Carrion Crow

And what makes you think the rapist is going to bother caring for her once they are married? If he is amoral enough to have raped her in the first place, then what is stopping him from simply marrying her to satisfy the law, and then doing away with her? Nobody else would care about her, she is 'damaged goods'. Given the survival rates at the time, he could easily kill her, bury her, and say she died from disease. Also they wouldn't be able to tell since forensic science and post-mortems didn't exist then.

This law is fucked, and I'm willing to bet bucks that some variation of the above scenario actually happened.

3/1/2008 6:53:15 PM

@Rahab: If only.

3/2/2008 2:15:21 AM


If he raped her he wanted her. In this backward culture if you were obsessed with a girl you had to get permission from her father to make her your wife. If he had a problem with you or your daddy or the way you looked or your monetary situation he'd deny you.

So you just rape her.

Kinda encourages the behavior y'know. Not to mention, as your wife she must obey you now. Win Win

3/2/2008 2:43:22 PM


Goats were more important than women in Biblical culture

3/2/2008 2:44:49 PM


Orrrrr...we could bypass publicly scorning the victim, and not shackle her to a monster for the rest of her life. That's what we could do.

Ooh, and we could just call whatever solution we came up with the best response we thought up at the time rather than the permanent and divine answer!

And then maybe humanity would progress a little faster, so that 3000 years later there aren't idiot apologists out there trying to justify a flawed response by a flawed society.

3/2/2008 5:08:04 PM


and then they lived happily ever after.

The end.

3/2/2008 6:28:58 PM


So if a guy wants to marry a girl and she won't marry him he could just rape her.

I guess there's one good thing that could've came out of this. You needed the father's permission so if a guy and girl wanted to get married they could just have consentual sex and then pretend it was rape and get married even though he didn't want them to.

3/2/2008 7:07:32 PM

@ProudSecularist: Otherwise known as the Bronze Age Hebrew version of "Romeo and Juliet."

3/3/2008 12:05:54 AM

Crimson Lizard

Women's rights? More like men's rights concerning women.

Don't forget the rapist's having to pay her father for ruining the sale value of his property.

4/9/2011 3:00:09 PM


Sure, because if he was nasty enough to rape her in the first place, I'm suuuure he's not going to harm her if they have to spend the rest of their lives together. These people think that the "you break it, you buy it" policy can be applied to women, which makes sense considering we already knew they don't realise women are living feeling beings.

8/1/2013 4:23:41 PM

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