Mrs. Debbie #fundie

Mrs. Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

["Yeah, but there is no leaven in (Shine Jesus Shine and Open Our Eyes Lord)"- OpenOurEyesLord.]

While the songs may be doctrinally sound, and maybe even musically sound, they are guilty by association...in my opinion. These songs are used as bait songs by cxm artists to lure you in. This is a proven technique. Artists release a single, and people like the song and go buy the cd, expecting the rest of the cd to be similar.

There is enough good, solid, Christian music that can be sung/ listened to, why walk the line? Why possibly give the devil a foot in the door? The overwhelming majority of singers/groups that sing these songs are in the cxm genera, and if these songs are sung in church, it may be a stumbling block to younger/weaker members. They may like the songs and go out and try to find it for themselves, thinking that it along with the other songs on the cd must be okay because they heard that song at church.

Yes I think that Galations 5:9 does apply here.

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old comment by Sideshow Bob

Ashley Brianne: "an in music [God] ahs a proper order also.. Melody, harmony and rythm... "
Verse or GTFO. Marksman lives up to his name here, except for the first two sentences: Yes that is a good opinion. I can see where you are coming from there. However, if we are going by a string of associations then we could make some really crazy statment about things on here. Like: You shouldn't wear shoes, because you have to buy shoes from stores(like walmart ect.) which sell beer, and when you go to buy the shoes then you might see the beer and buy the beer. So by association it is wrong to buy shoes. That is a somewhat exagerated version, but still, it could be taken that far.

old comment by Glazius

Hmm. I'm going to have to pull out my expanded director's cut Bible when I get home and try to make some sense out of this.
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" is an argument by analogy to the process of bread-making, which would have been quite familiar to your average first-century man on the street. You put a bit of yeast in your bread dough, knead it all around, and the whole bread has yeast in it. Well, actually, what they did was like Amish friendship bread, which I'm sure some of you have made - you leave some unbaked dough aside as a medium for the yeast to grow, and use that portion to mix in with the whole. Jesus, when he hauled the metaphor out, was using it in a positive sense - that salvation would suffuse a person who could then save others. Paul is using it in a slippery-slope sense - the only law that matters is that you love one another. If you accept another law - in this case, circumcision - as a condition for salvation, then you'll be willing to accept further laws and eventually lose yourself in a morass of rules and forget that you should be loving other people. This only goes to show that people in the first century were really hard up for relevant metaphors. And yes, Mrs. Debbie is invoking Galatians 5, which is about imposing no rules on yourself other than to love one another, to justify imposing rules on yourself other than to love one another. _This_ only goes to show that fundies can quote Scripture for their own purposes. --GF

Hahaha... It reminds me of my Catholic non-practicing grandmom, who when rarely attending Jehovah's Witnesses, the cult my parents converted to, found their music cheap. She was a classical pianist too, so had been exposed to much better music indeed. And we of course know that many great composers did grandiose church music.

Then interestingly, much later, when listening to political propaganda music, I discovered that various JW "Kingdom Songs" were really adaptations of old socialist and communist propaganda music. So sure, church music is propaganda, especially when it's from an official songbook of the cult.

And if you're against natural human expression and inspiration to produce better music, the problem may be your obsessed tendency to want to control their mind. Not their ability to be creative. Afterall, how can you tell that their inspiration is not driven by the Holy Spirit, if you believe in such things? The rules of a human institution can't dictate what is or isn't either, just like there are many currents in each religion. If there was actual divine guidance, presumably instead of sectarianism there'd be convergence and consilience.

Mrs. Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

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