Atheism (the denial of God) is a modern human belief. Artifacts in ancient burial sites reveal that humans have always believed in a life after death and a Creator God. Humans have a natural belief in God. Brainwashing by books, schools and the major media is required to make a human atheistic.
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Monotheism (the belief in one single god) is a modern belief. I suggest we go back to Roman theology. Of course, there are older gods, but it is quite open and we should be able to include every god but the selfish ones.
"Brainwashing by books, schools and the major media is required to make a human atheistic."
"Brainwashing"? I think what you're trying to describe - that stuff that tends to make people atheists - is usually referred to as "knowledge", "reason", and "education."
Lemme hear you say it, just once:
"Humans have a natural belief in God."
NO. Not that, the other thing.
"Brainwashing by books, schools and the major medi-"WRONG!
If atheism were modern, wouldn't this suggest god is a superstition we're outgrowing? If you want to go live in an ancient site with no plumbing and no internet, fine, but leave me out of it.
Of course, humans have been wrong before; many times before, if I recall correctly. And as stated, 'always?' Hardly; ancient Egyptian and Roman mythologies would have a field day with you, to name but two examples. So would Buddhism.
Humans have no natural beliefs in God, certainly no more than in fairies and magic. We learn about and discuss such topics over time, for various reasons.
There are no traces of belief in afterlife until 30,000 BC. Moreover, the "God" you´re talking about is a woman or an animal or whatever regarding place and time. Any suggestions why?, because the image of God we have is HIGHLY CONDITIONATED, mirror, mirror?
Always believed in a creator god? That's a major stretch. Gods and goddesses, fairies and demons, all came from the human imagination (which was very superstitious back in the prehistoric days, but I can't blame them).
I'd like to see a return to the Earth Mother and Storm Father...I continue to feel that the most primitive human souls had a good idea after all.
That said, modern educated humans have managed to replace fear of the unknown with knowledge enough to get through life without freaking out. Denying the babble is a good first step.
As for the brainwashing,... Pot, this is Kettle. Kettle, Pot.
"Heliocentrism (belief that the Earth revolves around the Sun) is a modern human belief. Artifacts in ancient burial sites reveal that humans have always believed in a geocentric universe and rotating heavens. Humans have a natural belief in the Earth not moving. Brainwashing by books, schools and the major media is required to make a human heliocentric."
How's that sound?
-pb
Atheism, (Clearly NOT the denial of God, or God, or God,) Has been around at least since the dawn of writing.
We have notes from old kingdom scribes heaping ridicule on the religious peasants of Kemet as far back as the second dynasty (c 3000 BCE)
There is no natural belief in deities. Only by drilling them into people's minds, either from a young age or from massive misinformation campaigns ("GOD made you stop drinking. That damaged liver was punishment, not a medical condition. yeah"), do people end up believing.
Worse yet, our brains are wired in a way that pretty much ADORES contradictions. They're one of the things that makes scripture stick so well. The nonsense MAKES it easier to swallow and "learn", as long as you're willing to kick reason out the door first so that it'll "make sense" (Faith: belief/trust in the absence of, or contrary, proof).
Your children would be atheists if raised completely protected from religious upbringing, UNLESS one of them managed, through charisma or coercion, to get the others to believe in HIS/HER imaginary friend... you know the one that always agrees with him and says you should do what he tells you...
That wouldn't be your own god by name/myth, but it would likely be similarly encouraging of cruelty to things its creator doesn't like.
Because ancient, ignorant tribesmen held beliefs in deities is no good reason for modern persons to hold such beliefs.
According to your Bible there were atheists thousands of years before books, most non-religious schools and major media.
All persons are born atheists.
Anaxagoras, Diagoras, Protagoras, Democritus, Epicurus, Lucretius, Seneca the Younger ...
Wow. Such a fragile grasp on reality.
Let's see if we can't fix that for ya.
/Professor Hat On
AHEM...
It is true that, when left to their own devices without outside influence, human being do develop belief structures to explain things such as sunlight, rain, clouds, fire, and childbirth that have little basis in fact or science. Humans seek to qualify and understand the world around them, and when explanations can not be reached through logic, reason, and science, then explanations will be reached throuh imagination, mysticism, and ritual. These belief structures are termed "superstitions," and when (and if) they become sufficiently ingrained in a culture, they get a new title: "religion."
But the default, tabula rasa state of humanity is non -belief, not belief. Belief in anything not empirically obvious requires a decision, and in the absence of that decision, un-belief is the rest state. Religious belief requires a decision to believe; un-belief requires no such decision, in initial structures it is the result of not making the decision.
Someone raised religiously may make a later-life decision to not believe, but the necessity for that decision was a direct result of the environment pressures applied to the individual by a religious upbringing. Without that religious upbringing, no decision for un-belief would have been necessary.
And that's a Christian talking.
(Note: Yes, I can see what all the fundies will latch on to in my post. Let me shoot 'em down first: God is not empirically obvious, and no amout of "but how can you say that when you look at the wonder of the world around us" crap will change that simple fact.)
I'm sure arifact show that ancient man flung his poo at people that pissed him off, what is your point? "We've always done it so why stop?" That's retarded. If you don't have a good reason to do something you are doing, maybe it's time to re-evaluate what it is you are doing!
Humans always thought that thunder and lightening was god all pissed off and shit, that didn't make it so.
"If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"
~Nice Guy Eddie
In fact, atheism is the natural way children are born, they don't believe, or disbelieve, for that matter, in God. And by the way, that there are artifacts demonstrating some kind of religious activity doesn´t mean that they were Christian(Let alone monotheist)
el oh el at the self-defeating comment.
Yea, supernatural and afterlife beliefs are part of the human condition so that means......
If that comment is true, it answers the question "Who made who?"
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Quote by Seneca, roman philosopher, 1st century AD.
Believe me, there have been Atheists around since ancient times.
When most people believe in some kind of supernatural being, this says nothing about the existence of this supernatural being. But it says a lot about human psychology.
Atheism is the lack of belief in all gods, due to the lack of evidence for the existence of said gods.
No denial, and not particularly the God of the Bible?
Do you have denial of Shiva, Kenny? If you do, then you know how we feel about God of the Bible.
Sure, one book is very much required to make a human atheistic; the Bible.
Brainwashing usually requires only one source of input, and the blocking out of all other inputs.
Receiving an all-round education is seldom seen as brainwashing...
The people who belonged to those artifacts were convinced that the earth is flat. It didn't make it so.
Belief in something, no matter how widely held, does not ipso facto make that something true. Intelligent people adapt to new knowledge, yet creationists continue to believe in crap that belongs in the era when disease was thought to be spread by witchcraft and thunder was taken to be a god's wrath. It really is quite bewildering.
You shouldn't have brought this up. Ancient burial sites, stone carvings and other artifacts that have survived, from all around the globe, reveal that every different ancient culture believed in a different type of god. Whether by name, appearance or the character.
Your modern human belief of only One True God(TM), is nothing more that brainwashing by you. Get over it. Rationality thrives, since we aren't an ancient tribe anymore.
-KR (i've seem to have gotten logged out)
Artifacts in ancient burial sites reveal that humans have always believed in a life after death and a Creator God. Humans have a natural belief in God.
Congratulations, you just made a very important discovery about human psychology .
Perhaps you will now understand much better why Atheists claim that "Humans made God in their own image"
There have always been atheists, just as there have been theists for a long time too. Evidence that theists existed doesn't mean everyone was a theist.
Not that that evidence very often suggests belief in a "creator" god anyway!
Humans as a species are naturally curious and seek to understand the world around them. Ancient people did not have the tools to explain phenomena like lightning, earthquakes and why the Sun rises in the east. They were familiar with social hierarchies, so they reasoned there must be a force or forces stronger and more powerful than them controlling the world.
Religion is simply a result of the same desire to understand as science. Unfortunately, it is often used in conjunction with other desires, such as the desire for social status and tribal aggression.
Confused?
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