Jefferson, Paine, Franklin ..... Deists??? Not so fast. While these men were non-conventional in their beliefs I don't believe they were "Deists." Jefferson called himself a "Christian." Paine believed in an afterlife. Franklin, regardless of his lustful youth, called for prayer at the Constitutional Convention. These are not the actions of Deists! Jefferson was a member of a Bible society and sought to promote the Gospel. He attended church in the capitol. The vast majority of the founders operated within the bounds of a Christian consensus. That consensus produced the Declaration of Independence, a very non-deist document. Both Paine and Jefferson were attacted for being less than Christian but were they Deists?? Lets see some evidence.
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Jefforson (author of Treaty of Tripoli) said: "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - March 17, 1814
Thomas Paine said: "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
And Benjamin Franklin, well he was all over the place. But he was indeed, for a while at least, a deist. This was evidenced when he claimed, "in short, I soon became a thorough Deist" in 1726. This was a time when he spoke of a creator being incompatible with the idea of free will in "A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain" in 1725. He later reversed himself and apparantly embraced religion in his later years. Of course, he didn't think that lightning bolts were a punishment from god or anything.
There is your evidence.
Deist means that they believe in God and afterlife, but who are not attached to any church and don't respond, therefore, for the doctrine and the mores there. And believing in an afterlife doesn't make you Christian. Buddist, Muslims and Jewish do.
Least informed of anothers religion award?
1 Deists believe in a Supreme Being, just not yours, 2 Deists pray.
3 Most deists believe in an afterlife.
Please do some research both on deism and on our founding fathers. Real research not some fundie cut and paste project. Paine's "The Age of Reason" would be a good place for you to start.
"My mind is my church." - Thomas Paine.
Evidence? Jefferson Library on line at UVA. Look up Franklin at the Library of Congress(by the way, he wasn't a deist, He founded an "agnostic society") and almost anything on Thomas Paine(who became an atheist).PS I would like evidence that you work for a library. All the real librarians I know would have already looked this up this before making themselves sound like an idiot by speaking incorrectly on things that they haven't researched.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaini8ng a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
""Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."
Thomas Paine
I wonder if TNLibrarian's library has any American History books.
This is only gonna get worse, at least down South where this "Christian foundation, Christian Founding Fathers, Everyone in America was Christian then" nonsense has been repeated for years.
Since they have no evidence for this and historical records actually prove the opposite, they've decided lieing a little is not enough anymore so they must lie harder and more often. They're dismissing the established history books and all them needling facts they contain and gone full fictional substitute.
They've had lots of lieing figureheads for years but now they've got a guy that's compiled all the lies and piled more lies on. His name is David Barton, his books are condemned by historiacal consensus and facts, his lies have been exposed and his research methodoligy doesn't exist. He has no Historian education and violates all rules of professionalism by not providing evidence for events or quotes. He makes it all up.
His books have been introduced as the history textbook in many redstate charter (read: Fundamentalist Christian)schools.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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