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"In case you do not remember, the inquisition was a period of time when the Roman church gave people the option to convert to catholicism or be tortured and killed.

The roman church is also responsible for the massacre of the Anabaptists in numerous locations - the Anabaptists would not convert to catholicism and would not stop distributing the Word of God.

As for the wars between the Native Americans and the settlers: The settlers wanted to live in peace. Aside from that, this war was not a religious war.

As a Christian, I believe you can worship however or whatever you want. Just be warned that you will face Jehovah and give an account.

On the other hand, non-Christians such as Catholics and Muslims would have any worship, other than their own, shut down and all people worshiping their false religions."

Bro. Randy, Teens-4-Christ 68 Comments [5/30/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Wolight

As a Christian, I believe you can worship however or whatever you want. Just be warned that you will face Jehovah and give an account.

All hail free will

5/30/2007 1:52:47 AM

Osiris

There's no point people. He dosn't think Catholics are Christians.

5/30/2007 1:54:36 AM

Sean

Ah Randy, continue your babbling, show me just how stupid fundies can get. Every day you show me a new low.

5/30/2007 1:57:03 AM

Praetyre

Your stupid little cult didn't exist when the Inquisition happened, Horny.

Mother Church pwnz joo!

5/30/2007 2:00:01 AM

caveatemptor

\"On the other hand, non-Christians such as Catholics and Muslims would have any worship\"

What?

5/30/2007 2:11:53 AM

Sophomore

<<On the other hand, non-Christians such as Catholics and Muslims would have any worship, other than their own, shut down and all people worshiping their false religions.\"\">>

No, we just don't want you imposing your insanity on the rest of us.

5/30/2007 2:18:54 AM

Sandman

\"The settlers wanted to live in peace.\"

Technically true. It's just too bad those damn Indians objected to the settlers wanting to \"live in peace\" on the Indian's land, eh Bro. Randy? How dare they! Christians own the world!

5/30/2007 2:32:10 AM

Jim

What pisses me off even more than his stupid Christian line is the Native Americans.

The Native Americans were here first. You invaded- they had every right to fight you. But they chose not to.

You brought the fight to them: end of story.

5/30/2007 2:34:33 AM

Jimmy

'On the other hand, non-Christians such as Catholics...'

Ooh, bitingly subtle there, Randy. It's times like this that I have to remind myself you're nothing more than a fat bastard who has nothing better to do than preach your cult on the Internet.
And yes, the settlers most likely did want to live in peace, only those pesky Indians didn't really appreciate being invaded.

5/30/2007 2:39:56 AM

Doctor Whom

It just goes to show you: One sure sign of a True Christian™ is that you're sure that just about no one else is.

5/30/2007 3:33:22 AM

PhantasyElementz

Now tell me, would I seem like a peaceful person if I walk into your backyard and say \"Ok, this is mine now, too bad for you, even though you were here first. Scram, you savage.\" Even if I wasn't brandishing a gun and threatening your family (which the settlers did), that would still be rather violent in principle, wouldn't it? The settlers wanted to live in peace, by driving people away with violence.

Catholics, not Christians? How do they justify this kind of nonsense, especially when Protestantism almost didn't happen? If the Catholic church had either reconciled with Luther, killed Luther, or if there weren't so many greedy German princes, it probably wouldn't have become a viable movement.

5/30/2007 4:12:58 AM

papabear

\"In case you do not remember, the inquisition was a period of time when the Roman church gave people the option to convert to catholicism or be tortured and killed.\"

Not really much different than God's deal - Believe in Jesus or be tortured for eternity.


\"The roman church is also responsible for the massacre of the Anabaptists in numerous locations - the Anabaptists would not convert to catholicism and would not stop distributing the Word of God.\"

Christians of many ilks have slaughtered others, including other Christians, throughout the ages.


\"As for the wars between the Native Americans and the settlers: The settlers wanted to live in peace.\"

Live in peace on land they stole from native Americans.


\"Aside from that, this war was not a religious war.\"

Not entirely true. Often the settlers slaughtered native Americans with little or no remorse because the native Americans were not Christians.


\"As a Christian, I believe you can worship however or whatever you want.\"

Yes, except that you advocate for laws which discriminate against those who don't worship as you do.


\"Just be warned that you will face Jehovah and give an account.\"

Prove it.


\"On the other hand, non-Christians such as Catholics and Muslims would have any worship, other than their own, shut down and all people worshiping their false religions.\"

Face the facts, dinkwad, Catholics are Christians. Not your breed of Christians, but Christians nonetheless.

I don't see Catholics being more intolerant and judgemental than the evangelical, Baptist dipstick branches of Christianity. Certainly they are no worse than you, BR.

5/30/2007 4:35:54 AM

Brian X

Freedom of religion actually means something to most people. To hard-righties, it's just a wedge to try to get unimpeded teaching of their own doctrines to anyone.

5/30/2007 4:41:07 AM

Brian X

Oh, and what about John Calvin? He wasn't exactly a gem of tolerance as ruler of his little chunk of Switzerland.

5/30/2007 5:45:17 AM

SophieEleven

Kudos to everyone for the comments on this post. Everytime I read what fundies say and lose a little of my faith in humanity, the people here give it right back to me :)

5/30/2007 5:49:25 AM

CousinTed

And now, a musical tribute to Bro. Randy:

Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
Your sperm's in the gutter -- your love's in the sink.
So you ride yourselves over the fields and
you make all your animal deals and
your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.
And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in
the tidal destruction
the moral melee.
The elastic retreat rings the close of play as the last wave uncovers
the newfangled way.
But your new shoes are worn at the heels and
your suntan does rapidly peel and
your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.

5/30/2007 6:12:26 AM

ZugTheMegasaurus

Okay, here's the plan. I'm going to go get bitten by a rabid bat. I will become diseased with rabies. Then I will bite Bro. Randy. The plan is to see if some disease attacking his brain will cause him to form a logical fucking thought at least one time in his life.

5/30/2007 6:20:41 AM

Prager

Dear BR,
The native indigenous people of North America were living in peace until the evil invaders brought death, destruction, slavery and their religions with them.

5/30/2007 6:40:52 AM

Redhunter

Change your religion, or be tortured and killed is an OPTION in your fucked up world?

Catholics are christians no matter how badly you wish it weren't so. Fucking deal with reality for a change, you ignorant fuck.

The settlers wanted to live in peace? Sure that's true I suppose, Right after they took advantage of and slaughtered the \"red-devils\" and \"heathens\" that infested the new land they just stole. Fuckheaded revisionist cuntdrip.

Randy tends his flock.

5/30/2007 6:52:57 AM

Hollio

In case you do not remember, the inquisition was a period of time when the Roman church gave people the option to convert to catholicism or be tortured and killed.


I'm assuming that Randy is speaking of the Spanish Inquisition, which was ordered King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. The last time I checked, the king and queen of Spain were not the representatives of the Catholic Church.

The roman church is also responsible for the massacre of the Anabaptists in numerous locations - the Anabaptists would not convert to catholicism and would not stop distributing the Word of God.


Are you talking about the slaughters led by Bloody Mary, or the ones led by various German princes during the religious war that occurred shortly after the Reformation?

As for the wars between the Native Americans and the settlers: The settlers wanted to live in peace. Aside from that, this war was not a religious war.


No, I'm quite sure that there were different reasons for each individual conflict between the Natives and the settlers. However, the main reason behind most of these conflicts was land, which the settlers would often kick the Natives out of if they didn't become integrated into western culture (this included converting to Christianity).

As a Christian, I believe you can worship however or whatever you want. Just be warned that you will face Jehovah and give an account.


Do I really need to say what's wrong with this statement?

On the other hand, non-Christians such as Catholics and Muslims would have any worship, other than their own, shut down and all people worshiping their false religions.


Then explain how I've known so many Catholics and Muslims who do not want this.

Also, Oliver Cromwell. Look him up.

5/30/2007 7:17:03 AM

Praetyre

Who the bloody hell is Jehovah?

5/30/2007 7:28:42 AM

Ummu

CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIANS.
But then again, Bro. Randy's version of \"history\" is so twisted that he could probably find a way to justifying claiming he is Jerry Falwell's and Pat Robertson's heterosexual love child.

5/30/2007 7:41:35 AM

Matilde

Double standards at its best. You can live in peace in America but not in Catholic countries. As long as the war isn't religious, you can kill as much as you want to. And by the way, do you really believe that Catholics were not persecuted in protestant countries?, that they're not Christians? what about the witch hunt or the quakers killings?. This guy needs a history class, URGENT.

5/30/2007 1:32:50 PM

D Laurier

As for the wars between the Native Americans and the settlers: The settlers wanted to live in peace. Just not with the natives, right???
Your justification for the genocide against my people is obscene and immoral.
GO DIE IN A FIRE.

non-Christians such as Catholics and Muslims
Ignoring that catholics are christians again???

5/30/2007 1:47:46 PM

Mr Smith

@Ummu
Don't give him ideas!

*runs for the hills*

5/30/2007 2:05:40 PM
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