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I have no suggestions on what the Cheneys should do in this situation, but I can tell you what I did.

I have a gay daughter and have been loving and accepting of her and her partner, but not of their lifestyle. We have made clear our opinions, but my wife and I do not make life uncomfortable for them because of our opinions.

When they announced that they were going to try and get pregnant, we sat them down and explained our position. We explained why we believed that children should have a mother and a father and told them that, should they go though with this, we would sue for custody of our grandchild. We assured them that living in the South that we had a better than even chance of winning.

Though they were not happy with our decision, they still visited and were welcomed and we have always been welcomed at their home. They thought of moving elsewhere but didn't like any of the places with more liberal laws. (A lesson in how liberalism ruins a place) It has now been eight years and still no babies.

MEGoody, freerepublic 204 Comments [5/31/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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wjv

Truly, truly sad. :-(

5/31/2007 6:56:58 PM

Laurel

You evil, closeminded bigot. You are the perfect embodiment of Cheney's decision to pose for photos with his wife and granddaughter but not his daughter. Maybe he's trying to get custody too. If there is a hell its fires wait for you. And him.

5/31/2007 6:59:55 PM

UberLutheran

I really, really do try to be a calm, rational, reasonable, accepting person to the very best of my ability.

Given that -- would anybody here have any objection if I bitch-slapped MEGoody?

5/31/2007 7:03:02 PM

John

The daughter should have sought competent legal advice instead of taking Dad's word regarding custody.

There are definite risks to the mother's partner in the event of the mother's death, just as there are any time the partner is not the natural father. But if the daughter is the natural mother, it would be very unlikely without other deciding factors, for custody to be awarded to the grandparents, even in Mississippi, simply because the mother is a lesbian. An attempt by the former husband and natural father to use the same argument in Mississippi succeeded at first thanks to the chancellor's prejudices, but it was reversed on appeal. Grandparents, however, don't have the same right as natural fathers in custody cases.

One solution would be for the other woman to carry the child, in which case the bigoted parents of her partner would likely have no rights at all.

5/31/2007 7:04:05 PM

TauRaven

MK for the win! I can't say any more that hasn't already been said.

5/31/2007 7:04:49 PM

Doctor Whom

So, then, you would sacrifice an actual family on the altar of the family as an institution. How nice for you.

Oh, and to the people who say that children do best with a mother and a father: Why haven't the data borne that out?

5/31/2007 7:13:34 PM

Anaseum

Apparently, he's bluffing when he said that he would sue for custody for the child. Read the rest of the comments page.

5/31/2007 7:19:28 PM

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5/31/2007 7:20:31 PM

Marnanel

You bastards. You heartless bastards. Loving and accepting, my arse.

5/31/2007 7:30:01 PM

Sophomore

Asshole.

5/31/2007 7:32:48 PM

Chan

Hooray for you. You just squashed your child's plans for her life. I hope you're happy.

5/31/2007 7:33:26 PM

Matilde

If I were the hypothetical judge, I would not grant you the custody at all. Thank God there are no babies because they don't deserve such horrible grandparents like you.

5/31/2007 7:33:51 PM

[i]McCulloch[/i]

They thought of moving elsewhere but didn't like any of the places with more liberal laws. (A lesson in how liberalism ruins a place)

Come to Canada. The weather sometimes sucks but that is not because of our liberal laws. Our weather was bad even when the arch-conservatives ruled by the divine right of Queen Victoria. You'll get used to it. Millions of escaped slaves (also from the bigoted South) did.

5/31/2007 7:43:47 PM

Papabear

\"I have a gay daughter and have been loving and accepting of her and her partner, but not of their lifestyle.\"

What's the difference between accepting them and accepting their \"lifestyle?\"

5/31/2007 7:44:10 PM

Papabear

This is what passes as \"family values?\"

5/31/2007 7:52:34 PM

niccomm

We explained why we believed that children should have a mother and a father...

How'd that work out for ya? Your child still was born gay, right? So it would appear that having a mother and father has no bearing on who or what your child becomes.

5/31/2007 8:00:19 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I sincerely hope that your gay daughter is your only child - so that when the time comes she can deposi you in the most miserable hell-hole of a nursing home imaginable and then forget your sorry ass and never look back.

5/31/2007 8:10:06 PM

Fed Up

Nekhbet: while there are still male role models, none of them, imo, is really going to compare to a father. I've never been in both situations, so I can't give a first hand comparison, but it would seem to make sense that parents are likely to have a greater emotional bond with their children.
You can have a father figure, but that's never going to be a true replacement. Likewise for mothers.

As I said, adoption to gay or single people isn't a problem- it's bringing another child into the world that doesn't quite seem right (not least because there's a massive shortage of foster parents).

I'm not saying that being a lesbian makes you any less caring, just that kids are meant to have a mother and father for a reason. That's unfortunate for the potential mother, but in the end the interests of the child need to be put first. And if you can stop another unwanted kid from ending up as a junkie on the streets, then that's got to be as rewarding as giving birth in the first place.

5/31/2007 8:11:16 PM

Encolpius

Family Values Memorial Prize?

5/31/2007 8:23:12 PM

agentCDE

UberLutheran: Well, I'd object if you bitchslapped MEGoody.

Seriously, if you're within striking distance, there's so much MORE you could do.

5/31/2007 8:23:48 PM

Matilde

Actually, I remember a similar case in Ireland ten years ago. In this case, the woman was a single mother, not lesbian. Of course, her parents tried to get her baby because of similar reasons and failed. This was the last straw and the girl stopped talking to them, precisely because of their bad faith. Well, they were very happy with the idea of \"we'll have more grandchildren\". News, they have three children, two daughters and a son. The other daughter died two years afterwards, and the son is barren and he can't adopt due to the fact that his wife was a former alcoholic. Now they're lamenting that they've lost forever the only grandchild they had in the name of \"family values\".

5/31/2007 8:33:15 PM

Captain Janeway

This is why religion must come to an end.

5/31/2007 8:39:39 PM

Old Viking

I'm in a generous mood. I disagree vehemently with this guy's attitude toward the baby, but otherwise he more enlightened than most religious or political right-wingers. (But that's not saying much, so maybe I'm damning with faint praise.)

5/31/2007 8:39:41 PM

Madame Scarlet

Wow... you sick fucks. At first I thought, \"This isn't that fundie...\"

But threatening to take their granddaughter away? Fuck you, assholes!

5/31/2007 8:41:28 PM

Fish

Upon reading further, it was not MEGoody that posted this, but a character called 'Between the lines'.

5/31/2007 8:56:52 PM
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