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I have no suggestions on what the Cheneys should do in this situation, but I can tell you what I did.

I have a gay daughter and have been loving and accepting of her and her partner, but not of their lifestyle. We have made clear our opinions, but my wife and I do not make life uncomfortable for them because of our opinions.

When they announced that they were going to try and get pregnant, we sat them down and explained our position. We explained why we believed that children should have a mother and a father and told them that, should they go though with this, we would sue for custody of our grandchild. We assured them that living in the South that we had a better than even chance of winning.

Though they were not happy with our decision, they still visited and were welcomed and we have always been welcomed at their home. They thought of moving elsewhere but didn't like any of the places with more liberal laws. (A lesson in how liberalism ruins a place) It has now been eight years and still no babies.

MEGoody, freerepublic 204 Comments [5/31/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Berny

\"They thought of moving elsewhere but didn't like any of the places with more liberal laws. (A lesson in how liberalism ruins a place)\"

If the US South is an example of how good a place is under conservative and fundamentalist rule, I'd rather stay up here in the heathen \"Great White North\".
Go fuck yourself, you know-nothing narrow-minded asshole.

5/31/2007 9:13:07 PM

Kalli

Fed Up,

You should be aware that 30 years of legitimate studies have universally shown that the children of gay and lesbian couples do NOT in fact suffer in anyway from a lack of a father/mother figure. In fact the studies show no adverse effects on these children at all. What is the most important in the child's development is good parenting skills. That in studies between children raised by homosexual couples and children raised by heterosexual couples the only difference they found was that the children of homosexual couples are more accepting of people different than themselves.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec05/kids.html

5/31/2007 9:31:27 PM

Sophie

Good God, I feel dirty after reading that.

At first I was like \"yeah, not that bad, I guess...\" Then it got to the who sueing for custody bit, and may I just say:

What the fucking FUCK? I'm sickened that he thinks he can just do this to his own child, he is not loving, he is the embodiment of an arsehole.

I'm also disgusted that he thinks a child is some sort of property, to own, that it doesn't matter how happy, well adjusted or anything, that the child is, he'll just take it away because he's worried they'll get \"corrupted\" or infected with gay cooties or something. If the kid is being brought up in a good, caring and healthy environment, you should not take the child away from that. It's heartless, vile, and shows that you care more about making sure a kid doesn't get infected with \"teh gay\", than the child's actual wellbeing. Not to mention you'd be doing it to your own child. Newsflash; you're a bigoted twat, and you're daughter's still a lesbo. Kinda shits all over the Fundies theories, don't it?

God, I'm so glad this cunt isn't my father.

5/31/2007 10:02:31 PM

Bee

Someone really should correct/edit this: the person at FR who made this comment is called Between the Lines. ME Goody is the poster who asked \"What would you have them do?\" Very unfair to ME Goody to leave it like this.

5/31/2007 10:29:57 PM

Trovore

Wow, is anyone else amazed at how much respect the lesbian daughter and her partner seemingly have for her ass-hat parents?

Sure they could go against her parents' wishes and have a child but they've chosen to honor her parents. Hmmmmmmmmmmm what does that sound like to you? A commandment perhaps? 'Honor thy father and mother'? Interesting that the lesbians are being more true to the commandments than the parents. Many a hard-assed parent who uses the bible as a bludgeon forgets that in addition to the commandment Jesus gave, \"children obey your parents,\" he also said, \"parents do not exasperate your children.\" In summary: get over yourself dumbfuk.

5/31/2007 10:33:21 PM

Osiris

Christian family values. Just makes yah puke huh?

5/31/2007 10:33:27 PM

Firthy2002

Disgusting.

5/31/2007 11:17:37 PM

Mudflappus

Later the police learned the exact nature of why the parents of a gay daughter were found shotgunned to death in their own home. Details at 11.

5/31/2007 11:23:10 PM

Fed Up

Kalli: the article's interesting, but the research that Patterson seems to have centered on mental health issues, and emotional instability. I'm talking about things in terms of active development.
Another question is how many of the kids in the study had siblings- that helps.

Also, the article deals with adoption, not artificial impregnation...which is a completely different thing.


5/31/2007 11:32:05 PM

Praetyre

What. A. Fucking. Asshole.

5/31/2007 11:34:36 PM

Guy

Fuck you.

5/31/2007 11:38:43 PM

Amused

What the FUCK?

It's none of your fucking business WHAT your daughter does, assholes!

5/31/2007 11:44:00 PM

Mike

Freepers. Go fig.

6/1/2007 1:05:20 AM

JustinGG

@Papabear

I find myself looking forward to the point I myself get to use the word \"assholy.\"

6/1/2007 1:36:50 AM

Attila the pun

261097:

You make an interesting point. I had never considered that before. I guess that's b/c ad hominem and ad nauseum argument tend not to work.

6/1/2007 3:44:02 AM

Professor M

@Fed Up --

Nonetheless, \"children need a mother and father\" is a doctrinal assertion, not a fact-supported position. There is evidence that children do fine emotionally and socially when raised by two fathers or two mothers; to what other sense of \"need\" are you referring, other than \"kids need a mother and a father to fit my model of 'family'\"?

6/1/2007 4:15:50 AM

kristi

That is absolutely disgusting.

6/1/2007 4:36:15 AM

SophieEleven

Fed Up, I am curious as to exactly what you mean by \"active development\". If two parents of the same gender (or a single parent) can provide their children with love, good mental health, and emotional stability, what else is required? Besides the obvious needs and stuff I mean.

Even if it is true- that it's \"ideal\" for a kid to have two parents of different gender- so what? No parent or parents are truly \"ideal\", but children usually grow up happy and healthy anyway. Even in hetero two-parent families there are hosts of issues that prevent the situation from being truly \"ideal\". There are just tonnes of aspects that need to be taken into account.

As was mentioned earlier, it really does (IMO) come down to good, loving, appropriate parenting.

I doubt it can be conclusively shown that the child of an emotionally healthy lesbian/gay couple fares worse than the child of an emotionally healthy hetero couple.

(P.S.: as the mother of four biological children and two adopted ones, I take issue with your \"completely different\" comments. We most certainly do not raise [or treat] our adopted kids different than our biological ones.)

6/1/2007 4:39:39 AM

Adrian

I am off to find MEGoody's IP addy. If you need to be told why then you probly don't want to know.

I fervently hope that it involves an unorthodox use of handgrenades (lots of them), Upallnite.

6/1/2007 4:56:17 AM

Redhunter

So many thoughts and emotions are running through my head, I can't seem to find the words to express how this post makes me feel, but I'll try.





6/1/2007 5:45:11 AM

Kakra

So, you don't mind that you are bullying them to not have children, despite the fact that they obviously want them?

I really feel bad for them... to be grown up, and moved out, but not have any control over their own lives.

6/1/2007 5:56:01 AM

NonProphet

upallnite:
While you're at it, could you get the anonymous spammer's IP as well?
I can pay in cookies.

6/1/2007 6:02:01 PM

JTR5353

What an asshole.

6/2/2007 3:00:53 PM

Laurel

@SophieEleven--Thanks. My adoptive parents have never treated me as any less than their own.

6/2/2007 4:06:33 PM

Victoria

Your gay daughter and her partner have every right to raise whatever child comes into their lives. My partner and I are raising my two daughters and both girls are straight and well balanced, make good grades and are very well behaved. Leave your daughter alone to raise her children. You are being so rude and controlling. How dare you? Let her live her life.

6/5/2007 4:28:26 PM
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