I think it's sad that a Christian Bible teacher believes the world is "overpopulated". I think it's especially sad that the Word of God is being used to defend the "overpopulation" theory. IMO "overpopulation" is a lie of Satan and it's sad to see so many Christians believing this. For one thing no one can say for definite how many people will be on earth in 400 years time (assuming the Lord hasn't returned by then). I read where back in the 70s it was thought the earth would have a population of 8 billion by the year 2000 but it was in fact 6 billion. Plus by claiming there are too many people sounds as if God made a mistake by creating so many people and as we all know God never makes mistakes. Also, as one previous poster said "overpopulation" is used to promote abortion along with many other evils. Anyway even IF the world is "overpopulated" the events of Revelation will certainly solve that problem!
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Politics. North America could actually feed the world a few times over. So instead of causing an economic collapse by giving our surplus to the needy, we throw it out.
And those starving kids would just get lazy. We wouldn't want that now, would we?
I hate to side with a right-wing fanatic, but if liberals like the both of you wouldn't scare the third-world out of adopting Golden Rice and other GM crops, hunger would be on the way out right now. Fortunately there are still engineered foods (although not GM) helping over there that are not being suppressed, like Plumpy'nut.
I hate to point it out, but there are a lot of liberals, such as myself, and most of my friends, who are proponents of GM foods.
And I've met conservatives who are against GM foods. Funny how applying such labels to people doesn't actually automatically clarify their opinion on GM foods...
"there are a lot of liberals, such as myself, and most of my friends, who are proponents of GM foods."
Then you might simply be confused... One tenent of liberalism, is hatred of the third-world through anti-science rhetoric and cultural tribalism (anti-globalization rhetoric).
I forgot to mention that the DDT ban, that kills millions in developing countries due to the now unchecked proliferation of malaria, is another liberal policy. It's ok to kill people if it's in the name of "the environment".
I love how he said that theres no such thing as overpopulation, then tunrs around and says ìf there is, then the rapture will take care of it!
Classic. But claiming overpopulation is defintiely not the way to support reproductive rights.
PS: All edible food is GM. Look in your backyard garden.
You can make all the claims you want about what "liberals" believe, and what the tenets of "liberalism" are, Francois, but I'd imagine all that straw must get expensive...
Yea, that's great, but it's not a straw man when it's true. The fact that YOU still want to be a liberal and ignore the evils in your beliefs, just like "liberal Christians" do, doesn't make you a better person than the fanatic liberal who fights against freedom in the third-world.
"Francois, you must not be an American,"
And I thank Providence for that every day.
"because here in the States the liberals are stereotyped as caring too much for third-world countries."
Funny. I know what liberals are *supposed* to be. But the fact is that they don't care about the third-world. They fight against globalization, against GM foods, against anti-pollution schemes based on spreading technology instead of restricting industry, against lower drug prices in the third-world, against DDT, and all sorts of other measures that would help the third-world.
Once again, if you don't agree with these principles, then it does you well to be reminded that you support a belief system that does. Just like a Republican might not support the war on terrorism, or the drug war, or the death penalty, but he supports a belief system that does nevertheless.
I also forgot to mention that liberals support giving foreign aid to dictatorships instead of their suffering populace. That's a great one. Anyone who thinks liberals support the third-world just has no idea what he's talking about.
For the record, I don't think conservatives have anything worthwhile to say on the topic either. No statist politician - old rich white men driving SUVs, liberal OR conservative - gives a damn about the third-world except to sound more "compassionate".
I'm impressed, Francois. I said that I'm a liberal, and you go off about things that politicians of a party I don't actually support, support.
Geez, I said I was liberal, not a democrat. I'd think that people who live outside the US would be able to make a distinction between the two. Appearantly, though, I'd be wrong.
I didn't realize that I was scaring the third world. I hadn't mentioned a single thing about Monsanto.
Although patenting seeds and telling farmers they aren't allowed to use them, creating seeds that will only grow with Monsanto fertilizers are projects they are involved in.
Doesn't mean that genetic engineering is bad, it's the way they applied it.
The fact is, any liberal on this site who is laughing at the Christians, is a hypocrite, because his belief system is no better than the Christian's...
Christianity and liberalism are both based on the same collectivism, the same abnegation of the individual values that are the basis of the Western way of life : individual expression of values, material wealth, progress, fair justice, and most importantly science.
Christianity and liberalism are both dedicated to an unrelenting, organized attack against science and its strict adherence to the facts. To the Christian, this adherence to facts goes in the face of blind belief in a deity, and to the liberal, this adherence to facts goes in the face of blind belief in the "common good". Both have no problems with pious lying or violence in the name of their "ideals".
Christianity is founded on the sacrifice of individual values in the name of an almighty God. LIberalism is founded on the sacrifice of individual values in the name of an almighty state/democracy/"common good". The only difference is that religion is often spurred by personal experience and is thus generally more personal in nature than political beliefs. But this is a relatively small difference in the face of their gigantic similarities. To most of the reasons to be religious (except the "afterlife"), one can draw a similar liberal parallel.
François: selon Webster:
Liberalism: "one of several ideologies that claims individual liberty to dissent from orthodox tenets or established authorities in political or religious matters, in contrast to conservatism."
I don't see how this goes AGAINST individual rights. Liberalism is about beign against dogmatic conservatism. So there.
"God made a mistake by creating so many people and as we all know God never makes mistakes"
Maybe Satan overpopulated the Earth with all his vaginaseckz.
In this case, God is doing his best with natural disasters to tell us what's going on, but we're not listening.
You stupid freaking Christians...
I am not a liberal, not I think that these companies can not help the poor since the crops are more needy, expensive and will cause lock-in effects since you can not use parts of the harvest again for sowing in the next year.
Jakki, I don't feel like paying any attention to a bronze-age hallucination. We rationalists find it wise to take measures to prevent your beloved apocalypse.
I know, I know, we're persecuting you.
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"... there can be no overpopulation,underpopulation is a bigger problem."
Go to Calcutta and say that, you imbecile.
Francois, they stopped using DDT because it stopped working. Scientists, of wich I believe the most prominent was Rachel Carson, warned that using DDT with the reckless abandon they did at the time, and for things completely unrelated to public health, would lead to something called "insecticide resistance", which would make DDT ineffective at preventing malaria. Oddly enough, they were right.
Also, GM crops, as marketed for instance by Monsanto, are too expensive for the third world. Third-world agriculture gets its seed from the previous harvest, so that it only pays for seed when it starts a new type of crop; GM harvests are not fertile, so that a farmer who wants to grow GM food has to pay every single time she plants it, which may work for first-world commercial farmers (but as Khaine said, "Have you checked what Monsanto is doing to the Amercian farmer?") but will DEFINITELY NOT work for third-world subsistence farmers.
ah I was waiting for this one to come up, saw one fundie tv preacher once say that there is no such thing as overpopulation because "I can still move, until the entire planet looks like a new york subway car during rush hour and we're all standing elbow to elbow then there will be no such thing as overpopulation"
Anyway even IF the world is "overpopulated"the events of Revelation will certainly solve that problem!
Yes, because an enraged God slaying three quarters of the human race would be absolutely awesome. So fuck like bunnies and drive Hummers, bitches, because nothing matters anyway.
Does it actually occur to these people to even bother to look around every once in a while?
Confused?
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