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You put your trust in man, in the surgeon. We as Christian are to put our trust in God. Surgeons can be reliable and trustworthy, but not always. If you put your trust in man, sooner or later, man will disappoint you. But if you trust in God, you can never be disappointed, because the outcome will always be good.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 33 Comments [4/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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#421404
Comicartist

If my life is on the line I'll take a surgeon over god anyday.

3/2/2008 3:38:49 PM
#421416
Brenz

Just like Job, right? So what if his wife and all his children died? God gave him another!

3/2/2008 4:16:47 PM
#422541
canadiest

Lot of dead Christians would disagree, a lot of live ones would to

3/3/2008 5:50:56 PM
#422547
Freboy

Yes, he's taken such good care of the Jews thoughout their "6000 year history".

3/3/2008 5:58:18 PM
#422572
GigaGuess

Fine. Should you get cancer, pray it away. No Chemo. no surgery. Just wait for that divine intervention. Or are you just gonna loophole it that it is God guiding that surgeon's hands to that nasty ol' tumor?

3/3/2008 6:31:09 PM
#428107
cyborgtroy

Actually, God will also eventually let you down "as part of His plan", and then when something good happens, you claim it was all for good in the end.

3/9/2008 9:40:49 PM
#428172
GreasetrapTheViking

that's what jesus thought.
I.N.R.I., byatch



3/9/2008 10:22:48 PM
#428175
Borborygmus

Can't argue with this arguement as long as you define ANYTHING THAT GOD DOES as "good," no matter how shitty!

3/9/2008 10:27:39 PM
#428295
Grand Archblasphemer of York

Well, then next time you are about to go in for surgery, ask God to do it instead.

I guarantee you, rather than just being disappointed some of the time, you will be disappointed every time. Of course, that may only be once, but that's why they call it faith...

3/10/2008 12:48:27 AM
#446957
Feminazi

These people thought the same thing.

3/28/2008 3:10:53 AM
#447057
FemmeFatale

Feminazi: Great article, disgusting and completely idiotic but I hope people learn from this. How many more people have to die unnecessarily?

3/28/2008 4:30:58 AM
#447067
anti-nonsense

I'd rather trust in a surgeon I know exists with training I know has happened rather then an invisible sky daddy for whose existence there is no evidence.

3/28/2008 4:39:35 AM
#998475
Yanlin

God is a rocket surgeon.

Did you know rocket surgeons don't exist?

8/1/2009 5:53:55 AM
#998502
Brain_In_A_Jar

Feminazi, the idiots in your link seem to have contradicted themselves as soon as they performed CPR, which undeniably counts as a medical procedure. Unless there's some form of twisted logic they follow that says preventative scientific medicine is bad but emergency scientific medicine is good.

8/1/2009 6:44:40 AM
#998509
EvoPagan

Except for when you die on the operating table, then both man AND god have "disappointed" you.

8/1/2009 7:04:04 AM
#998573
Caustic Gnostic

But if you trust in God, you can never be disappointed, because the outcome will always be death.

8/1/2009 9:30:10 AM
#998598
Canadiest

Hence the several cases of christians being charged for refusing medical care and only praying to God and their kids dying for it? Yeah "the outcome will always be good."

8/1/2009 10:46:34 AM
#998608
Swedish Pagan

As medical science can't seem to supply me with a child, I have trusted it to God - still no children whatsoever. If God did supply me with a child I would be very ready to believe in him.

Where is the good outcome you speak about? My friends say I would be an excellent mother (I'm not as sure as they are). Any month or year now I'm going into menopause; God has a limited amount of months to show me that he really exists. If I was to have a child, I would like to be able to visit her or his graduation before I turned 70, please.

Or rather, I don't consider myself that important, as opposed to all the fundies who think they have a direct link to God.

8/1/2009 11:46:47 AM
#998625
GigaGuess

Which is why a Christian never succumbs to illness or malady to this day.

8/1/2009 1:34:41 PM
#998628
Cabraxas

Compare the recovery results of patients who only prayed with those of patients who had surgery. I'm pretty sure the surgeons are waaaaay ahead.

8/1/2009 1:49:09 PM
#998630
ChristPuncher

Yes he'll always do good. until he gives you a tumor or a failed heart valve or scorosis and you need a transplant. then the surgeon has to clean up his mess.

8/1/2009 1:52:12 PM
#998647
Clown

"Inner workings of God's prayer game", page 12, example 2c, hypothetical situation same as in 2a.
Example:
A Good TrueChristian (TM) needs to have a risky surgery (survival being only 50%). All his True Christian friends pray for him and he does it himself. There are two possibilities:

1) he survives, surgery is succesful and is on the way of recovery. There is only one reaction of True Christians (TM): "Praise the Lord. Thank you. Thank you so much for saving his life. It's ONLY thank to you that he is alive."
2) True Christian (TM) dies. There are three possible and legitimate reactions of other True Christians (tm).
A) "He wasn't a True Christian (TM) else he would have survived."
B) "It's all surgeons fault! They messed up, let's sue their sorry asses!"
C) "It was God's will. Almighty called him home and True Chris is in a better place now.(watching over us).

There is also one illegitimate reaction:
D) There is no God. Shit happens.

8/1/2009 3:41:43 PM
#998654
anti-nonsense

Oh yeah? What about the girl who died from diabetes because her parents prayed instead of giving her insulin? What about all the people who have gone to faith-healers for cancer and things like that and then died?

It's been proven over and over again that prayer does nothing, the only thing that works is actually getting off your ass and doing something about the problem.

8/1/2009 4:26:12 PM
#1183336
Allegory for Jesus

"But if you trust in God, you can never be disappointed, because the outcome will always be good."

Please good sir, do try to practice what you preach. I very much want to see how good of an oncologist God is.

7/20/2010 6:27:56 PM
#1376480
meme

Were you betrayed recently? I get the feeling that you are suffering emotionally. Did a relationship just end badly?

2/19/2012 3:32:51 PM
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