You put your trust in man, in the surgeon. We as Christian are to put our trust in God. Surgeons can be reliable and trustworthy, but not always. If you put your trust in man, sooner or later, man will disappoint you. But if you trust in God, you can never be disappointed, because the outcome will always be good.
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Actually, God will also eventually let you down "as part of His plan", and then when something good happens, you claim it was all for good in the end.
Well, then next time you are about to go in for surgery, ask God to do it instead.
I guarantee you, rather than just being disappointed some of the time, you will be disappointed every time. Of course, that may only be once, but that's why they call it faith...
Feminazi, the idiots in your link seem to have contradicted themselves as soon as they performed CPR, which undeniably counts as a medical procedure. Unless there's some form of twisted logic they follow that says preventative scientific medicine is bad but emergency scientific medicine is good.
As medical science can't seem to supply me with a child, I have trusted it to God - still no children whatsoever. If God did supply me with a child I would be very ready to believe in him.
Where is the good outcome you speak about? My friends say I would be an excellent mother (I'm not as sure as they are). Any month or year now I'm going into menopause; God has a limited amount of months to show me that he really exists. If I was to have a child, I would like to be able to visit her or his graduation before I turned 70, please.
Or rather, I don't consider myself that important, as opposed to all the fundies who think they have a direct link to God.
"Inner workings of God's prayer game", page 12, example 2c, hypothetical situation same as in 2a.
Example:
A Good TrueChristian (TM) needs to have a risky surgery (survival being only 50%). All his True Christian friends pray for him and he does it himself. There are two possibilities:
1) he survives, surgery is succesful and is on the way of recovery. There is only one reaction of True Christians (TM): "Praise the Lord. Thank you. Thank you so much for saving his life. It's ONLY thank to you that he is alive."
2) True Christian (TM) dies. There are three possible and legitimate reactions of other True Christians (tm).
A) "He wasn't a True Christian (TM) else he would have survived."
B) "It's all surgeons fault! They messed up, let's sue their sorry asses!"
C) "It was God's will. Almighty called him home and True Chris is in a better place now.(watching over us).
There is also one illegitimate reaction:
D) There is no God. Shit happens.
Oh yeah? What about the girl who died from diabetes because her parents prayed instead of giving her insulin? What about all the people who have gone to faith-healers for cancer and things like that and then died?
It's been proven over and over again that prayer does nothing, the only thing that works is actually getting off your ass and doing something about the problem.
"But if you trust in God, you can never be disappointed, because the outcome will always be good."
Please good sir, do try to practice what you preach. I very much want to see how good of an oncologist God is.
Before modern medicine people lived to 30 if they were lucky.
Please eschew modern medicine.
I'll miss laughing at you but resources are finite.
Wisconsin Parents Didn't Expect Daughter to Die During Prayer
"The couple has three other children".
Makes me wonder what's going to happen when the other kids get sick....
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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