Atheists are ****ing annoying. All you guys do is ***** and whine about how religious people are harming society. Wasn't for religion, odds are we wouldn't BE here right now. So to you little non-conformist punks who do it cuz religion sucks: get ****ing real.
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'I'm sorry, but I just can't take a complaint lodged at gamefaqs seriously.'
Yes, it's a sort of poor-mans Naruto forums
No, probably not. For example, we could have had electricity a thousand years ago if the Catholic Church hadn't run Europe into the ground, leaving the great Arab thinkers without colleagues in other lands to bounce ideas off of. Instead of paralell development, we had do do everything serially in a dead-whales-down-the-beach kind of fashion. Because of religion.
Wasn't for religion, odds are we wouldn't BE here right now.
Yeah, we might be doing even better than we are now.
And wasn't it for religion(the Pagan one or whatever), improvements in medical resources, and better science research, you'd be either. Maybe if a butterfly flaps its wings in Shangai, there is a storm in Birgmingham, but I'm not going to kill that butterfly, you know.
Yeah man, religion is so, like, radical and stuff. It allows me to use all these profanities to, like, preach to these fucking atheists and make up dubious reasons for the validity of my, like opinion and stuff. Yeah, that's radical, dude!
[/religious idiot]
Actually, I rather suspect religion was a necessary step in our social evolution - it provided a structure to society in a time before rationalism, and I strongly suspect rationalism could not have been developed without some pre-existing social structure. Certainly, the existence of competing religions provides a strong incentive to develop logic and reason, as they are powerful tools for demolishing the tenets of opposing religions, even if one has to twist them occasionally to fit one's own faith.
Now, however, religion has served its purpose, and we are capable of running structured societies without it. Moreover, since religions actively resist rational analysis as soon as it stops being in their favour, they have become dangerous to functioning society, and thus the sooner they are abandoned, the better.
Actually, if it weren't for religion (specifically Xtianity, and the "we're better cuz we have Jebus" brand of imperialism it encourages), there'd be a whole lot more of "me"s here. Namely, the descendents of the many, many of my Native American ancestors that died at the hands of those 'doing the work of Jehovah' because they 'had a right' to their lands.
So yeah, Dwarkyzides... bite my luscious brown ass.
Brain_In_A_Jar , I agree with you concerning the formation of social structures through religion, and I have a thought regarding this:
The polytheistic structure developed in ancient Greece may have been the most legitimate model for human rationality, as each god or goddess represents a discrete facet of human behavior or awareness, and the specialization of human understanding could grow from there.
Monotheism is monomania, and is doomed to eternal strangeness.
Caustic Gnostic, I wrote a great little essay on the subject a year or so ago, about the necessity of religion in social development and the equal importance of its rapid abandonment as soon as its detrimental effects exceed its usefulness. Unfortunately, I lost the whole damn thing to a hard disk failure!
"Wasn't for religion, odds are we wouldn't BE here right now."
Yeah, we'd likely be on other planets by now, but I get the feeling that isn't what you meant.
@ Brain_In_A_Jar & Caustic Gnostic
Ouch. My condolences.
I'd say the concept applies to individuals as well: apply "religion" between the ages of three and five, just to give the child an idea on what to expect from the wider world...and then, encourage the child's mind to continue growing on its own.
know what, you are right, if it wasn't for religion I wouldn't be on this website riight now, I'd be doing something more productive, like spending time with my relatives, or painting my toenails.
"All you guys do is ***** and whine about how religious people are harming society. "
LOL, yep we fuck and whine. At least the lucky ones do the former.
You're right. If it wasn't for religion, I wouldn't be here right now.
I'd be terraforming motherfucking Mars!
Ouch. My condolences.
I'd say the concept applies to individuals as well: apply "religion" between the ages of three and five, just to give the child an idea on what to expect from the wider world...and then, encourage the child's mind to continue growing on its own.
I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to support a falsehood like that, even if it were in the child's best interests. Not only because of my repugnance of dishonesty on principle, but because if you weren't extremely careful then it might take too strong a hold to be overcome with reason later, and you'd end up with a fundie kid for life - disaster!
I agree, if it wasn't for religion we probably wouldn't be here now.
Brain_ , you're right, I should have defined it better...
More like a general introduction to the framework and habits of religion, and identification of the emotional and philosophical traps. I'm firmly convinced that children of that age can understand this.
Oh, I am real!
Unlike god.
If it wasn't for religion we'd be several centuries ahead of where we are scientifically. We'd also be much more peaceful.
The real reason we are here is the meteorite which wiped out the dinosaurs, much more plausibly.
Feel that Christian Love!
Sure, religion has probably been a glue for primitive societies in the past, and it served to try to explain what couldn't be explained at the time. Nowadays, though, it feel a tad outdated, actually.
Right-wing fundies are fucking annoying. All you guys do is bitch and whine about how gay people are harming society.
Wasn't for Secular legislation, odds are there'd be more gaybashings.
So to you subhuman non-Romans 13:1-5-conforming punks who do it cause Atheism sucks: get fucking real.
fixed. And extremely easily too.
"Wasn't for religion, odds are we wouldn't BE here right now."
One, that's not a complete phrase. Two, how does this work? Last time I checked, atheism doesn't magically make people infertile.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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