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The themes in Star Wars may seem innocent on the surface, but if you look at them closely (and if you look at the man who invented the series), they are as distant from God's truth as they can get. But it's just a bunch of movies, right? Wrong. The subculture of the movies (which I was actively involved with, yes, even as a Christian) does the same thing Harry Potter does with children...gets people very interested in philosophies outside of scripture (the Force is claimed by some as a real religion, and for others as a political affiliation. There are people who will write in Jedi on forms as their political party of choice or religion).

Let's look at the movies. They involve reading minds; the concept that an impersonal force rules our actions and not a personal God; they involve talking with the dead; manipulation of others with a thought. That's just for starters. I have seen people go deeply into eastern religions and new age because of these movies, as well. And, although I was called a liar for daring to suggest it, there are magazines called "zines" which deal more and more within this fandom and others, with homosexuality between the main characters. The genre is called "slash," as in Han/Luke; Chewie/Han, etc.

Are these movies fun? Oh, indeed! No one would get involved with them if they weren't.

faline, Rapture Ready 21 Comments [8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Papabear

Get a grip, dude. \"Zines\" like that a mostly crap... so don't read them. If you can't enjoy a story without failing into some horrible clut, you need mental health care and probably a few more brain cells.

2/23/2006 10:52:04 PM

Redhunter

Hey, faline, do you realize that if you shun everything outside of the bible you end up with a very narrow and skewed version of the world?
Do you realize what kind of a sociopath you are turning into, 'Inthelord'sname'? The fact that you delve into the possibility of a Wookie/human gay relationship between two completely fictional charectors is proof that your mind is beginning to feast upon itself, and near as I can tell, that's going to be a light snack.

7/7/2006 11:14:47 AM

Julian

Only One Cojone: These aren't the disciples you're looking for!

7/7/2006 11:52:19 AM

CousinTed

\"Zines\"? What decade is this idiot from? People put their slash on the Internet these days son. And slash is hardly limited to just Star Wars, there's also Lord of the Rings Slash, Invader Zim slash, even fucking Transformers slash! Hell I'd pay money if someone could find me a movie with more than one male character that DIDN'T have gay fanfiction written about it.

7/8/2006 12:22:33 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Originally posted by Blissfully Unaware

The themes in Star Wars may seem innocent on the surface, but if you look at them closely (and if you look at the man who invented the series), they are as distant from God's truth as they can get.

So? The same can be said of the history of damn near any Christian sect.

the Force is claimed by some as a real religion, and for others as a political affiliation.

These people are whast you call delusional twits.

There are people who will write in Jedi on forms as their political party of choice or religion

Twit or smart ass.

They involve reading minds; the concept that an impersonal force rules our actions and not a personal God;

I don't know, God seems pretty impersonal in the Bible. Oh, yeah, and He reads minds on occasion.

they involve talking with the dead; manipulation of others with a thought.

Someone's got a selective memory! That is if they've even read the damn Bible.

I have seen people go deeply into eastern religions and new age because of these movies, as well.

If they converted just because of a movie and not independent research, they're a moron. They'd have run off to some cult with a charismatic leader anyway.

And, although I was called a liar for daring to suggest it, there are magazines called \"zines\" which deal more and more within this fandom and others, with homosexuality between the main characters.

And?

7/8/2006 7:14:05 AM

cyborgtroy

Nothing forbid you should have imagination and yaoi fanfics....

12/18/2007 7:09:49 PM

Whoever

Isn't "Faline" the name of the fawn in "Bambi"? Isn't Disney wickedly sinful? How can you have such an evil user name?


12/18/2007 7:16:28 PM

Kelmon

The story that people put "Jedi" as their faith in a census is an urban legend...

1/27/2008 7:33:44 AM

BrotherofZeus

"(the Force is claimed by some as a real religion, and for others as a political affiliation. There are people who will write in Jedi on forms as their political party of choice or religion)"

And for 99% of those people, it's a joke. Then again, you're a fundy. You don't really have a sense of humor, do you?

"They involve reading minds; the concept that an impersonal force rules our actions and not a personal God"

Where on earth does this second comment come from? Star Wars makes no comment on whether or not a personal god exists.

"I have seen people go deeply into eastern religions and new age because of these movies, as well."

Just like Harry Potter- if people did go into New Age beliefs because of these forms of media, 99% of the time they'd exist pretty quickly, and in that other 1%, they'd probably have joined Wiccanism/other New Age religions anyway. The differences are just so stark.

"The genre is called "slash," as in Han/Luke; Chewie/Han, etc."

Bwahahaha, take it from me faline, somebody who is an avid consumer of fanfiction, there is almost NO popular medium where somebody hasn't come up with a slash pairing. So, by this logic, EVERYTHING glorifies homosexuality.


8/30/2009 7:41:34 PM

Jix

Kelmon,

Its no urban legend that some of us Aussies (thogh I did not) had fun with the census and JEdi name.

Not sure if it was done elsewhere thogh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

8/30/2009 8:21:49 PM

CuriousAtheist

"magazines called "zines" which deal more and more within this fandom and others, with homosexuality between the main characters."
Dude, rule 34. And may I just throw this out, the bible isn't immune either. There is some pretty kinky stuff between Jesus and Peter out there.

8/28/2010 12:52:30 PM

The Duelist

Christians sure are intelligent. That is, when they aren't condemning everything, true and/or false, that doesn't bow to Jeebus... in other words, the entire universe, more or less.

8/28/2010 2:08:38 PM

Amadaun

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8/28/2010 2:46:17 PM

RapturedbyBlondie

Or you could do some research and know the plot was inspired by Kurosawa's "The hidden fortress'. Nothing demonic, just Japanese.

7/19/2011 2:02:40 PM

LordMu

OMG! they say stuff different from the Bible! They must be evil!
"(the Force is claimed by some as a real religion, and for others as a political affiliation. There are people who will write in Jedi on forms as their political party of choice or religion)"
The hell?
have seen people go deeply into eastern religions and new age because of these movies
THE HELL?


9/18/2011 11:44:37 AM

Alex

So slash you imagine when watching Star Wars is bad, but incest that is in the movies is good?

10/12/2013 8:40:17 AM

Swede

God's truth? You mean the one who said "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." and who told his people to "go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass"? I'd say that it's good to be as distant from that as one can.

Parts of Harry Potter are Christian allegory, stupid! He even dies and comes back again, for crikey's sake.

Neither an impersonal force nor a personal God rules our actions, silly. We rule our actions ourselves. A scary notion, surely, for people who are told that someone else is governing them.

In short: "Whaaa, people think Christianity as irrelevant as SciFi movies!"

10/12/2013 8:58:10 AM

Dr. Shrinker

I can see how scary fun would be to someone who bows down to the idol of misery and self-deprivation.

10/12/2013 9:17:44 AM

Canadiest

As usual, all fiction is a threat to their fiction.

" the concept that an impersonal force rules our actions and not a personal God"

A person does rule your actions, your own person, yourself. Even if you follow the wishes of others that's your personal choice. In Star Wars the force does not control anyone, going to the "Dark Side" is a desire to rule all, called power-mad. Lucas heavily avoided giving the force an identity and made it clear only certain people could tap it. Not a religion. How Jedis are such exeptional people? Not divine contact, training.

Your own religion is entirely based on Royalty, "King of Kings" "Prince of Peace" "Lord of all creation", all plagarized from the long-existing political norm.

10/14/2013 5:25:29 AM

Anon-e-moose

"They involve reading minds"

Your thoughts betray you: There is no 'Rapture'. [/Darth Vader]

"the concept that an impersonal force rules our actions and not a personal God"

Luke (Mark Hamill): 'You mean it controls your actions?'

Obi-Wan (Alec Guinness): 'Partially. But it also obeys your commands.'

-"Star Wars IV: A New Hope"

And that's the difference.

"they involve talking with the dead"

Obi-Wan & Yoda merged with the Force, after Qui-Gon Jinn had discovered the only possible way to immortality - certainly for Jedi; impossible for Sith - and taught them how to do so, as he was the only one fully attuned to the Living Force.

"manipulation of others with a thought"

(*waves hand*)

After what happened late last year, you will never vote again. >:D

And seeing how - despite the whole 'Free Will' thing central to your doctrines - your 'God' manipulated pharaoh; 'Hardening his Heart', and all that jazz. Even God - Morgan Freeman - in the film "Bruce Almighty" told Bruce (Jim Carrey) that one of the two conditions to possessing his omnipotence powers was never interfering in the Free Will of others.

"I have seen people go deeply into eastern religions and new age because of these movies, as well"

Lying for Jebus much, failine? I've seen a Catholic priest in Italy who is not only a "Star Trek" fan, but has - as have so many fans of that TV series & films - accepted Gene Roddenberry's scenario as a complete philosophy ('Prime Directive', 'I.D.I.C.' etc); he sees no problem with incorporating said philosophy with his own Christian beliefs. [/"Trekkies"]

10/14/2013 6:06:05 AM

Anon-e-moose

"And, although I was called a liar for daring to suggest it, there are magazines called "zines" which deal more and more within this fandom and others, with homosexuality between the main characters. The genre is called "slash," as in Han/Luke; Chewie/Han, etc."

And, whilst no doubt some "SW" fans have written* such, 'Slash' Fiction originated with "Star Trek"; as in Kirk/Spock. And 'Zines'?! Bitch, please. Get out from under that stone and lrn221st Century, already. There are Star Trek fans who - in their interest in the 'Original Series' saw the 'PADD's, and use tablet computers to access the 'LCARS', a.k.a. the WWW, acknowledging Roddenberry had anticipated the invention of such devices.

Of course "Star Wars" and "Star Trek" are fun, little Raptard. They certainly offer a future far more optimistic than your fairytales; show me an X-Wing or Sovereign-class starship in the Bible, and maybe I'll reconsider.

*- Jesus. Hanging around with twelve men, hardly associating with women, if ever; never married a woman. Wore a dress. Espoused the philosophy of 'Love your fellow man'. It wouldn't surprise me if some had written 'Slash' fics featuring Jesus & one - or more - of said twelve men...! >:D

10/14/2013 6:07:46 AM
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