If Evolution is true, there is no Creator, so laws come from mans opinion. That is called a democracy, which is a terrible form of government. Democracies always degenerate into dictatorships. In America, it is sad to say, has become a democracy.
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OH NOES! NOT TEH DEMOCRACY!
(Gee, and all this time, I thought America always WAS a democracy. Shows you what I know.)
First: America's not a democracy, its a republic. A democracy is a system in which everyone votes on every law. The founders saw that as mob rule, and instilled a democracy. We are a republic, not a bad thing.
Second: Evolution does not say there isn't a creator, it states species adapted over time. While I don't believe that there is one, the two are not mutually exclusive
Third: You're fucking retarded.
Kent, the prison Christian housewife, wants a theocracy.I guess that's ok, if we get stone him to death for wearing that orange polyblend jumpsuit he gets to wear these days between ass poundings.
If Evolution is true, there is no Creator
No, it just means the Bible is full of shit.
PS, The United States has the oldest continuous government in the world today, so it's a poor example for the evils of democracy.
Yes, a lot of countries in America have democracy, we are working on the dictator part... oh, wait, you mean USA ! Nevermind, then.
You believe that god has the final, and only, say on anything to everything. That sounds like a dictatorship to me.
Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried.
"If Evolution is true, there is no Creator...."
Bullshit, it does not. It does make the first 11 chapters of Genesis look silly but that's a seperate topic.
Well, Dr. Dino, see how democratic the penitentiary is, asshole, which by the way, will be getting reamed! Bend over!
@James you stole the quote I was going to use.
Can you explain how all democracies become dictatorships. Can I be they one we vote in as dictator?
Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried before it.
"Representative democratic federation of republics" might be more accurate. The strength of one component serves to mitigate the weakness of another. It has been successful by and large, but depends upon the political, social, and financial influences working in balance -- which ain't happening these days, sorry to say.
Laws come from millenia of observations of human behavior and what works for societies. The human virtues and problems that we observe in this age are essentially the same as what Socrates observed.
Jailbird here thinks the system was arbitrarily extracted from someone's rectum...forgivable, I suppose, since that is his own personal philosophic source.
Deism goes well with Science. It is easy to accept (stipulating a need for a supernatural element) that a Creator set everything in motion, and endowed the humble proto-biology with the necessary opportunistic intelligence to evolve by many paths into a grand cooperative venture called "biosphere".
Who needs this YHWH dork, anyway? Reality is so much more amazing.
Only this prick could claim atheism was responsible for Communism and in the next breath claim atheism is by definition Democracy. Also, attacking democracy, careful Kent, that may be the one knee jerk reaction that actually turns the great 'patriotic' unwashed AGAINST you.
sez the dick-tato!
How's prison Kent?
America, as far as I'm concerned, has ALWAYS been a democracy. Too late, isn't it, Ken?. And democracy is not to make laws from man's opinions(all laws in the world are done that way), but to approve proposed items of law by ALL. Not only you have no idea of evolution, neither of politics(and by the way, evolution doesn't erase the possibility of a creator but of the literality of just ONE myth, which is not very coherent with reality, like all myths)
In America, it is sad to say, has become a democracy. IN AMERICA.
I am seriously not joking when I say that I give him about 6 more months before the prison officials decide that he has to go in a psych ward.
but if there IS a God (as KH believes) all laws have their roots in Him.
So you pay up or go to prison... oh dear, and in rebellion against your just god
Democracies always degenerate into dictatorships.
Even if that were true, all you're suggesting is that we bypass the temporary period of democratic freedom and skip straight to the despotism. I can't quite see the advantage.
The US started as a democracy, fuckstick. Now, it's a republic.
And democracies don't always end in dictatorships. You're thinking of theocracies.
(Oh, and maybe you should look up "Theistic Evolution.")
I would just like to say, at this juncture, that prison rape is relatively rare.
Consenting sex between same-sex prisoners is far more common.
Actually, I think ol' Kenny-boy here is pining for the days when only white male landowners could vote. I think that would really appeal to him.
Unfortunately, by my watch, he's just a little overdue. *GRIN*
Sorry Kent you moron, but no. The Iroquois have the oldest participatory democracy in the world. This is a very direct kind of democracy! And they've had this form of government consistantly, for many centuries. It hasn't turned into a dictatorship in all that time.
As usual, you FAIL, Kent.
P.S. Tell your cellmate Bubba I said hi! That is, if he allows you to open your mouth for anything other than... uh, never mind.
btw Frank that was not actually the governmental system for all Native tribes (as in my previous post, for example). That is also not the way a chief is or was chosen the vast majority of the time- at least not in the part of the country I come from.
My own tribe has had quite a few young and/or female chiefs, even centuries ago. Other governmental decisions were made by a tribal council and a group of elders. Just FYI :)
"Democracy is the worst form of government ever invented - except for all the others that have been tried".
You're a fucktard, aren't you Kent?
Is it a requirement for fundeism to not be able to form sentences?
Man's opinion is not democracy. A country ruled by the vote of it's people, that is a democracy. One person, one vote, and majority of votes decide.
Most societies started as dictatorships and then evolved into democracies. Some, it is true, degenerate back into dictatorships, but that is because peoples' opinion was not respected, some person or party decided that they knew best. As Hitler did in the 1930's.
America has been a democracy for hundreds of years (or since 1920, when also females could vote for president). If less than 50 percent of the adult population votes, it's doubtful if it really is a democracy. Didn't the election of 2000 get close to that figure?
@John: PS, The United States has the oldest continuous government in the world today, so it's a poor example for the evils of democracy."
Bollocks. We had our last revolution in 1688, and it was damn near bloodless (as revolutions go).
For all I know there are countries other than Britain who have had that level of stability for as long or longer, so I wouldn't go making sweeping statements about 'continuous governments', however you might define them.
Traitor.
Fuck you. You are no longer allowed to vote.
You advocate Theocracy, the WORST form of Government EVER CONCIEVED.
So again, FUCK YOU.
And man's law comes from evolution. Our morals ensure our species' survival.
If all laws were coming from God (if he actually existed in the first place) wouldn't that be a dictatorship? That would be a dictatorship of the worst kind, one you could not do fuck all against. Even Communism and Nazism could be overthrown. If we had an actual god for dictator, we'd be really, really fucked.
Kent , Kent or should I say Inmate Hovind ?
Laws of nature come from whatever happened when the universe expanded or maybe before. We (science) does not know at the moment.
Laws of society have always come from the members of that society.
The USA is not now , nor has it ever been a democracy.
On the other hand, though, if God still existed, he might send all the greedy, power-hungry con men who talk shit in his name to hell (providing that hell existed too) and leave the rest of us alone.
Too bad for Kent, he too would find himself down there in a wink...
If Evolution is true, there is no Creator...
Nope. A possible way of fusing God and evolution together would be to say that God directed evolution.
...so laws come from mans opinion.
As it damn should.
That is called a democracy, which is a terrible form of government.
Let me guess. Theocracy is the only good form of government?
Democracies always degenerate into dictatorships.
[citation needed]
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