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The first schools, and universities, were started with the idea of proselytizing Christianity, and training missionaries.

From the Mayflower Compact forward all was based on Christianity.

Laws against stealing, murder, adultry, perjury, all had their basis in Christianity. Laws protecting private property, gun rights, privacy, and religious freedom, had their basis in Christianity.

Now people such as yourself find Christianity anathema to your beliefs.

Old_Trapper, Liberty News Forum 49 Comments [11/27/2007 5:55:19 AM]
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How very American. Apparently all history begins with the Mayflower.

11/27/2007 5:56:20 AM


Laws against stealing, murder, adultry, and perjury appear in non-Christian as well as Christian societies.

As far as religious freedom having its basis in Christianity: Bwhahahahahaahahahahaahaha!!!!!

11/27/2007 6:00:04 AM


The early settlers were Christian (they came from a country in which being Christian was essentially required) and sometimes used Christian language in their writings. That does not in any way mean that all institutions were founded with the intent of furthering Christianity.

11/27/2007 6:06:28 AM


Lies and damned lies.

11/27/2007 6:38:36 AM


How IS the weather up your own ass?

11/27/2007 6:40:42 AM


Gun rights? I don't recall Jesus having anything to say about those.

11/27/2007 6:46:25 AM


Actually, the first universities were founded not to promote Christianity, but to preserve knowledge and keep it within the church's control.

11/27/2007 6:58:32 AM


Yes, I remember the good ole' times before Jeebus when murder was perfectly acceptable.

11/27/2007 6:58:54 AM

Mister Spak

"Laws against stealing, murder, adultry, perjury, all had their basis in Christianity."

Code of Hammurabi, dumbass.

"Laws protecting private property, gun rights, privacy, and religious freedom, had their basis in Christianity."

The constitution was written to keep christianity out of the government. You fail.

11/27/2007 6:59:08 AM

Caustic Gnostic

World history ends with first-century occupied Palestine.

American history begins with fundies who were not welcome anywhere in Europe.

"Selective History" tends to suppress reality, and those who engage in it, are not to be trusted.

IOW, fail.

11/27/2007 7:06:08 AM


"Laws against stealing, murder, adultry, perjury, all had their basis in Christianity."

Wrong. The code of Hammurabi predates your bible.

"Laws protecting private property, gun rights, privacy, and religious freedom, had their basis in Christianity."

None of those things are in the bible at all except private property, and Rome had a well developed property law before Christianity came along.

11/27/2007 7:20:37 AM

Nope, they were not "proselitising", because, if you were not a Christian BEFORE you entered, you could not apply. Learn the meaning of the words before using them. And, by the way, Bologna existed in the tweflth century already, like 400 centuries at least, before the Mayflower. Concerning the laws, man, EVERY CIVILISATION HAS A LAW AGAINST THOSE CRIMES(except adultery, which is not a crime anymore). And laws concerning property, privacy and religious freedom were NOT CONTEMPLATED IN THE MAYFLOWER COLONY(The scarlett letter rings you a bell?). And the right to own guns is OPPOSITE to Christianity and almost exclusive to USA because it was a country which sprang from a revolution.

11/27/2007 7:59:04 AM

stealing, murder, adultery, and perjury are considered wrong in all societies. that's not unique to christianity. early christians were also not into private property or gun rights. they were non-violent and believed in sharing among themselves so that everyone would be cared for. you can still see that in the mennonite, and amish communities today.

11/27/2007 8:28:35 AM


And the Greeks had statues and buildings before we did, but it doesn't mean we have to worship Zeus.

11/27/2007 8:31:10 AM


I've been looking through this bible, and I'm not finding a single verse that looks anything like a law regarding privacy, religious freedom, or gun rights.

Something tells me Old_Trapper is just pulling arguments out of his ass.

11/27/2007 8:41:40 AM


*mighty headdesk*

11/27/2007 8:46:06 AM


Laws against stealing, murder and perjury, and laws protecting private property all have existed in every civilization, including the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese, none of whom were Christian. There is no law against adultery. The only effect Christianity had on religious freedom was negative: to show people what a lousy idea it is when religion sticks its nose into the law. And gun rights? WTF?

11/27/2007 9:03:43 AM


Christianity doesn't own common morals and common sense!
Even in old egypt people had laws against murder and theft and such.

Not everybody needs heavenly motivation to do the right thing! Some of us just do because they are decent people!

11/27/2007 9:04:04 AM


Fail. Hammurabi's Law predates Christianity by centuries.

11/27/2007 9:05:19 AM


I agree with Blackvoice.

This guy owes me a new keyboard.

Also, my forehead hurts now.

11/27/2007 9:30:46 AM

Caustic Gnostic

Social contract.

When early (stone age) humans realized that working as a group was more efficient than doing everything solo, the necessity for social contract, and the language to express it, arose. This is a very basic human thing, which may be regarded as instinctual.

Hammurabi codified the concept in terms that applied to all conceivable (at the time) misdeeds. This is the earliest known manifestation of a set of "laws". It helped enormously that those laws were chiseled in stone. Hammurabi's stele specified penalties for infractions, thus (perhaps) originating the concept of crime and punishment, as opposed to simple revenge.

Judaism came later. They didn't reinvent the Cosmos, but appropriated whatever law, and myth, that worked within their context.

Jesus was probably quite aware of the Socratic school of thought, as he interpreted the social contract concept in a simple and populist way. (Too bad his total break from Judaism was thwarted.)

To put it quite simply, Old_Trapper, if you seriously believe the bible is the Alpha and Omega, you are mistaken. Get an education.

11/27/2007 9:33:27 AM


Religious freedom is not a Christian idea.

11/27/2007 10:22:04 AM


well, I guess home schoolers don't even teach the meaning of the word "history" much less make minimal effort at teaching it.

11/27/2007 10:29:21 AM

Samuel Colt

Gun rights?
Religious freedom?

11/27/2007 12:15:30 PM

Heaping Bowlful

1. First Commandment

2. First Amendment

These are mutually exclusive. Our laws are not based exclusively on "christian values" and never have been.

11/27/2007 12:21:55 PM

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