You raise a valid point. I love the story of Creation and have researched it, so I'll admit an 'eye witness account' couldn't be by anyone but God Himself, or Adam.
In the past there has been controversy about whether Moses actually wrote the book of Genesis, or plagiarized it from the accounts of Creation and the flood taken from early documents of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Enoch, Isaac, and Jacob. (did I leave anyone out?)
However now ancient writings have been found in the Middle East dating back as far as 3500 B.C. which would be when Adam was still alive. No one even knew that writing went back that far! I think that's so neat.
So anyway, since Adam was alive during that period of time, he very well could have written the accounts as he knew it of Creation, making it a 'first hand account', which proves that these documents were passed on from one generation to the next, and put together into one book called the BOOK OF GENESIS! Cool, huh?
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"In the past there has been controversy about whether Moses actually wrote the book of Genesis, or plagiarized it from the accounts of Creation and the flood taken from early documents of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Enoch, Isaac, and Jacob. (did I leave anyone out?)"
Yes the actual writers of that myth, the Sumerians.
Another fundie woefully ignorant of history crowing about the "eyewitness" accounts in Genesis.
Never mind that civilizations considerably older than the events in Genesis have existed, and they had documents dating back that far or farther as well.
Never mind that the myths in Genesis are not even original but copied from other civilizations around in the Middle East at the time.
You just keep on thinking that your book of myths is an "eyewitness" account, and I'll keep thinking of you as a moron.
Exactly how does one squeeze multiple generations of people living nearly a millennium, then a flood, then several thousand years of recorded into a 6000 year period and not realize just how stupid that is? Even as a fundie, myself, I allotted no less than 10,000 years. Fortunately, I grew out of that.
"I love the story of Creation and have researched it"
Really?
"However now ancient writings have been found in the Middle East dating back as far as 3500 B.C. which would be when Adam was still alive. So anyway, since Adam was alive during that period of time, he very well could have written the accounts as he knew it of Creation, making it a 'first hand account', which proves that these documents were passed on from one generation to the next, and put together into one book called the BOOK OF GENESIS! Cool, huh?"
I presume you are referring to Harapa pottery discovered in the Indus valley:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/334517.stm
So, you think a 3500 pot with an ingredients list on the side proves Adam wrote Genesis?! You want some salmon with that leap?
Writings have been discovered from ancient Sumeria that date from before Adam was alive, acording to Ussher's chronology. How do you suppose that happened?
And isn't it funny how none of the writings outside of the Bible mention Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, or any of the patriarchs? You'd think the progenitors of the entire human race would be worth some mention, especially if they were still alive.
Okay, I'm bored I'll play.
Question 1: How did Adam's writings survive the great flood?
Question 2: How can anyone read Adam's writings? They were written before the Tower of Babel when God confused our language.
I can't wait for your bullshit rationalization answers.
Unlike resistors, a series of small coincidences does not add up to anything useful, meaningful, or correct.
"Since Adam was alive... He COULD have written"
Yeah, but why? How would he know people would give half a shit about his life? There were no other people.
"which PROVES"
I was alive when the Intel Core 2 Duo was invented, and processor design is pretty interesting to me, since I wanted at one point to be in Electrical Engineering. This proves that I must have invented the Intel Core 2 Duo processor. now fork over the moneys and the design docs.
If your evidence is a "could have," it doesn't prove anything. And, just the possibility that a person was alive at a given period doesn't indicate that he wrote any particular document.
And, no, Sandra, it is not cool. It's lame.
Assuming these writings were even found: Just because the discovery shows it COULD have happened, that doesn't mean that it proves it beyond all doubt.
Of course, since they don't exist it's a moot point.
What I want to know is, if Adam wrote Genesis3, why is it written to make him sound like a complete prat?
God: "Did you eat from the tree?"
Adam: "It's all her fault!"
'Cept you're dead wrong, Sandra.
And I guess you believe that Adam, Moses, and all the others wrote about their own deaths, huh?
(Later in the thread, she refers to the Apocrypha - which she doesn't seem to believe exists - as the Apocalypse. Classic.)
Assuming these writings were even found:
There are plenty of examples from over 5000 years ago. Unfortunately for the fundies, the writers don't appear to have heard of any person or place in the Bible.*
*okay, the city of Ur is known from Sumerian writings.
Yeah, I was alive when the Murraugh Building Bombing, 9/11 Terrorist Attacks, the Iraq War, and the creation of numerous books and other things, so I MUST have created or caused all of them. Oh and Sandra is so smart and cool....
Yes, you see, the problem here is that you are taking as fact the idea that "3500 BC" corresponds with a time when there were only two people on Earth living in a garden talking to snakes and making God mad.
Actually, I'm pretty sure they've known about these "recent discoveries" for over a century, and they actually go back further than that. And they're in Sumerian, which has no relation at all to Hebrew and is incredibly hard for modern readers due to its lack of relation to any existing language.
In any case, civilization goes quite a bit further back than that anyway, at least another 1500 years if not more. So there you go with the being wrong.
Gee not to disagree with or anything SandraJ but Wasn't the egyptian empire founded before 3500 b.c? And the Chinese? And many other civilisation in the mediteraenian?
I woulda thought that Adam would've been illiterate.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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