Of course they have a problem with liberalism and secularisation in Israel too. I hope the Orthodox can deal with this.
"Evil"!? You call Israel evil!!? They are heroes who defend the Holy grounds against the evil of Islam, just like the noble Crusaders once did. Of course it is sad that most Israelis do not recognise Jesus as their saviour. Judaism is a good religion created by God; sadly it's too incomplete to save anyone.
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Stop using the Jews and Israel in your plans to bring about the Rapture, you self-serving, delusional bastards.
(Just so everyone gets what I'm on about; the Fundies need Israel for their precious Rapture, and they believe that once Christ comes again, every Jew on earth will simultaneously convert. No, really.)
"sadly it's too incomplete to save anyone."
You could probably get the UN to do that if you asked nicely - they created Israel anyway.
Oh wait, they're evil too right?
"Judaism is a good religion created by God; sadly it's too incomplete to save anyone."
I thought everything god created was perfect. Are you questioning the infallibility of your god? Ooohh, it's off to Hell with you!
You call Israel evil!!? They are heroes who defend the Holy grounds against the evil of Islam, just like the noble Crusaders once did
Yeah funny about having the jewish Israelis and the christian crusaders in the same sentence.
When the "noble" crusaders took Jersusalem, they killed everyone: Muslim, Christian, Jew, because they were ALL heathens in their eyes.
Evil is in the eye of the beholder, SC. To the Palestinians who were dispossessed and robbed of their land by the UN when it partitioned Palestine in 1947, Israel is evil.
After all, they had been in residence for a thousand years or more. And had gotten along with their Jewish and Christian neighbors before.
An arbitrary political decision made by people from other countries suddenly turned them into homeless refugees.
What would you do if someone came into your house and threw you and your family out at the point of a gun?
I'm not sure the Israelis will appreciate being compared to 'noble crusaders', since it was these same noble crusaders that massacred Jewish communities throughout Europe during the first, second and third crusades! Hey, why travel hundreds of miles to fight for God when you've got the people who murdered Jesus right here at home and you owe then a great deal of money?!
Also, during the siege of Jerusalem in 1099, the Jewish inhabitants of that 'Holy City' fought with the muslims and against the crusaders. Apparently, they thought being slaughtered to the last individual to the glory of God and the honour of his holiness the Pope was a worse outcome than living in peace under a fairly benign and tolerant (for the time) Islamic ruler.
Go figure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%281099%29
Looks like everything ScarletCrusader knows about the Crusades came from watching "Kingdom of Heaven."
Someone feed him a history book, please.
They are heroes who defend the Holy grounds against the evil of Islam, just like the noble Crusaders once did.
You conflate the two against Islam? Interesting. Your heroes, the Crusaders, had a different view of the Jews they encountered along the routes they took. Maybe you could research that before you post any more on the subject, you fucking moron .
Judaism, although a good religion created by god is too incomplete? So what, your dumbass diety fucked it up? Had to do a take two on the whole deal? But, no, take three (Islam) is evil.
since it's their story they should be closer to the truth...unfortunately they have their own fundies....Krusty the clowns Rabbi father once said )paraphrased from memory).."A Rabbi never lies, he may embelish, change or egsagerate, he may tell stories that never happened, but he never lies" mainstream jews see it as lessons to ponder and consider. much like moderate christian they don't let their faith get in the way of reality
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So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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