If you are right, we will all die and rot in a box. If we are right, you will burn in Hell for eternity. Are you that sure? Is an eternity of pain and suffering worth it?
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Fine. Prove to me that your God is UNDENIABLY the only God that will be acting as divine bouncer, and I'll listen. Unfortunately, since we have Hindus, Muslims, JWs, etc. etc. etc. all singing the same song as you, Pascal's Wager fails.
Ah, but you see, Pascal's Wager is all good and fine, until we add Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Juche (Kim Jong Il's official cult), Spiritism, Bahai, Shinto, Cao Dai, Tenrikyo, Unitarianism, Rastafarianism, Scientology, Wicca, Asatru, and the Church of Satan into the equation, plus all the denominations thereof.
Then your chance of going to heaven is at most 1/20. Still want to take that bet?
Oh, we won't all rot in a box. Some of us will be burned up and be kept in pretty jars.
Personally, I'd like to be buried. At least that way, I can make one lasting impression on the Earth. Plus, headstones are cool.
Not that simple
Since you believe in the Bible and refuse to listen (read) about Banylon, Egypt, Sumeria, Pagan, Ancient Greek and not quite as ancient Roman beliefs you'll never see what others have. That your religion is nothing but the culling together of older cultures stories, tweaked and modified to make a new one.
None of these other religions are practiced now (to any extent) and yours has been slowly dieing.
There is'nt one thing in that book that holds water and not much of it is origional
In other words, you only believe because you've been threatened with unimaginable terror and torment if you don't. Well, in that case your God is cunt and you, sir or madam, are a moral coward of the highest order.
Pascal's wager isn't even an argument. When you can tell me why you reject all other gods, you will know why I reject yours as well. You run the same risk that I do, sir or miss. Indeed, if fear of pain is the only reason you seek to do good, then who here is more virtuous?
Are you trying to make a logical argument? Cause that ain't it.
[EDIT] @POSW; more like 1/30,000+, since that's how many Christian denominations there are- not to mention that at least a couple thousand of them claim that only they have the Truth, and all other Christians are hell-bound heretics. Now factor in all the other religions in the world...
I wrote part of a philosophy paper on all the things wrong with Pascal's Wager (including what The Duelist said above).
And now I'll counter with The Atheist's Wager:
It doesn't matter if you believe or not as long as you are a good person.
If there is a benevolent god, He will reward your benevolent actions.
If there's no God, you still lived a good life and will be remembered as a good person.
If there is a God, but He doesn't reward you for a good life and only rewards those who worshiped Him devoutly, then He isn't a benevolent god.
Well, Pascal's Wager is valid. To make a decision because of a probabilistic wager is a valid method. But Pascal made the error of taking only a very small subset of possible outcomes into account. The extended wager looks more like this:
a) Most probable outcome: We will all die and rot in a box. Eternal nothingness, end of existence.
So my dear fundie: Is spoiling this life with religious madness really worth it? For something so incredible improbable?
I'm not going to rot in a box.
I'm going to ask Carico and JohnR7 to bury me at sea, with a bit of luck they'll drown digging the grave.
And if you are wrong, but they (pointing to another group with different beliefs) are right, then we both go to Hell for eternity.
The options are not binary.
Okay, I'll play along. So we are all condemned to hell because of sin, and your god hates sin. However, your bible states that your god created everything. Ergo, your god created the sin that it reportedly hates.
Oh wait, that's not the point. The point is that Adam and Eve ate a fruit 6,000 years ago. Of course, it was your god who put the tree with the fruit n the garden. It was your god who created the snake who gave them the idea of ignoring god (remember, your god created everything). Ergo, the responsibility for human sin rests in the hands of the god who hates said sin.
Your god is clearly working against its own interests. That is the mark of some one who is insane. You are putting your faith for salvation in the hands of an insane god. How reliable is the promise of some one who is insane?
Guess that wager isn't quite the sure thing you thought it was.
I would love to go to Hell. Satan is awesome and if I could chat with some of the great minds of mankind, such as Voltaire, Newton, Darwin, etc. and if a language barrier wouldn't be a problem, it would be worth it. So I hope that you are right. Onward to Satan's domain!
"If you are right, we will all die and rot in a box. If we are right, you will burn in Hell for eternity. Are you that sure? Is an eternity of pain and suffering worth it?"
'Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just , then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust , then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. '
-Marcus Aurelius
Seems this ancient Roman won the bet before Pascal had even been born to make his 'Wager'...! [/hyper-smartarse]
'If we are right, you will burn in Hell for eternity. Are you that sure', you say? Just one word further annihilates your worse-than pathetic weaksauce use of 'Turn or Burn' as a threat because nobody will do as you say; and threats are the last pathetic resort of those who know they've lost the argument:
'If. '
It's what's known as 'Spartan Laconic Wit'; a method invented by that ancient warrior race to make anyone who potentially threatened them look inferior . Smart people, those Spartans.
If you are right then god is a vindictive unjust bastard
If atheists are right the mark they leave on the world would be how they are remembered though there is nothing after.
Still want to risk Pascal's Wager?
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