Quote# 32408

[Ahh the amusement I find watching a fundie marvel at the way the world fits him perfectly, just like the water marvels at the way the puddle fits it perfectly.]

Have you ever considered the complexity of the human eyeball? It's an absolute miracle how two cells, once united, become specialized and develop into the various components that make up blood, lymph, skin cells, bone cells, nerve cells, etc...and form tissues and organs that all have complex functions that work together and form the human body... insects, amphibians, reptiles, mammals, fish... and then there are plants and trees, different types of soil, the sun is the perfect distance from the Earth..any closer we'd burn...any further, we'd freeze. The planets are in perfect rotation... Believing in God a fairytale? It takes a greater leap of faith to think these things just happened.

Knight4Him, UCFSports.com  34 Comments [12/15/2007 2:40:24 PM]
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Mah Anthropic Principle, let me show it.

12/15/2007 2:45:30 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Yup, if things were different, then they'd be different. How profound.

12/15/2007 2:47:19 PM


I don't think Knight4Him really got what the puddle analogy means.

12/15/2007 2:49:20 PM


In the words of Robert G. Ingersoll:
"Did it ever occur to them that a cancer is as beautiful in its development as is the reddest rose? That what they are pleased to call the adaptation of means to ends, is as apparent in the cancer as in the April rain? How beautiful the process of digestion! By what ingenious methods the blood is poisoned so that the cancer shall have food! By what wonderful contrivances the entire system of man is made to pay tribute to this divine and charming cancer! See by what admirable instrumentalities it feeds itself from the surrounding quivering, dainty flesh! See how it gradually but surely expands and grows! By what marvelous mechanism it is supplied with long and slender roots that reach out to the most secret nerves of pain for sustenance and life! What beautiful colors it presents! Seen through the microscope it is a miracle of order and beauty. All the ingenuity of man cannot stop its growth. Think of the amount of thought it must have required to invent a way by which the life of one man might be given to produce one cancer? Is it possible to look upon it and doubt that there is design in the universe, and that the inventor of this wonderful cancer must be infinitely powerful, ingenious and good?"

12/15/2007 3:02:57 PM


Have you ever considered that species (including us) evolve to fit their environment perfectly? Otherwise, they go extinct.

What leap of faith is necessary? Believing in imaginary creatures may be fun for recreation but they really shouldn't interfere with your appreciation of truth and reality.

12/15/2007 3:24:10 PM

Anna Ghislaine

Eyeballs aren't really that complex; they're pretty much just a couple of kinds of jelly. The human eye (and the vertebrate eye in general, come to that) is poorly-'designed' in that the optic cells actually point away from the light, giving the blind spot where their nerves plunge into the retina. Plus, we have six muscles controlling the position of each eyeball. Positioned intermediately, three would suffice. Furthermore, as George C Williams notes, why do we have only two eyes? Surely omnidirectional vision would be more useful to us.

12/15/2007 3:39:09 PM


That's as maybe, but belief in a creator god and a personal god are two seperate and discrete things.

12/15/2007 3:57:24 PM

Old Viking

The evolution from light-sensitive cell clumps to full-fledged eyes is thoroughly explained. (Hint: This is why god invented Google.) The abundance of life forms is explained far more intelligently by evolution than it is by "goddidit." And life adpated to the universe. The universe did not adapt to life.

12/15/2007 4:05:13 PM


Have you ever heard of quantum immortality? Let me explain it to you.....

12/15/2007 4:14:15 PM


Exactly what is or is not perfect about the rotations of the planets? How could a planet rotate imperfectly? They wobble and they don't rotate in the same planes, but what are the Fundie criteria for perfect planetary rotation?

12/15/2007 4:16:13 PM

Seamus D

Ahh, nothing like an oldie but a goodie!

Sweet memories. Where were you when you first heard this classic fallacy? Prom night? Your first kiss? That first shared joint rolled in strawberry-flavored paper behind the gym?

12/15/2007 4:22:44 PM


You are designed to suit your environment, not vice versa.

12/15/2007 4:25:24 PM


the sun is the perfect distance from the Earth..any closer we'd burn...any further, we'd freeze.

The distance between the Earth and the Sun changes from time to time.

The planets are in perfect rotation

As Papabear mentioned, I'm not even sure what the definition of a "perfect" rotation is. All planets have different rotations.

12/15/2007 4:51:27 PM


"the sun is the perfect distance from the Earth..any closer we'd burn...any further, we'd freeze."

No, we would never have been here in the first place. Or we would be able to survive in a different range of temperature range...

12/15/2007 4:56:47 PM


pressure sensors, eventually light sensitive, were they not?

12/15/2007 5:08:51 PM

cui bono

if you understood even a little physics, mathematics, chemistry, geology, biology and the principles of science; then observed nature around you ....
I forgot;
you look but cannot see
you hear but do not listen
you touch but do not feel
you live but have no life
you exist but have no existence.

Yes its all done by magic and evil spirits, if you say so.

12/15/2007 5:18:14 PM

Did anybody tell you what is a non-sequitur?

12/15/2007 5:23:48 PM


"the sun is the perfect distance from the Earth..any closer we'd burn...any further, we'd freeze."

This would make sense if Earth were the only planet in the solar system, but with eight of them, at least one of them is probably going to be in the "Goldilocks zone" of its parent star. Also, the Earth's distance from the sun fluctuates about a million miles or so per year (from ~92 million to ~94 million miles). Ironically, the Earth is actually farther from the sun in summer than it is in winter. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure I read that.) In short, read an astronomy book.

EDIT: Also, what about the ~200 extrasolar planets that have been found? If there is a god, why did he make those planets and not do anything with them? Granted, there are a few that might harbor life, but we haven't found it (although I believe we will someday. Maybe not intelligent life, but at least some microbes or something). Why would a god create an entire universe 70 billion light years across and just have one tiny little blue marble with life on it?

12/15/2007 6:24:22 PM


12/15/2007 6:59:53 PM


Anthropic Principle disagrees.

12/15/2007 7:01:24 PM


Ah, the puddle argument, first formulated by the late great Douglas Adams... How I miss that wonderful author and his stylings.

Knight4Him, the evolution of the eye has been greatly expounded on. Philosophies, hypotheses, and theories exist covering everything else you listed. You, sir, are ignorant, and have failed to make an argument. And shame on you for downright ignoring the puddle argument as you have, despite quoting it.

12/15/2007 7:54:17 PM


Actually all those things just prove that we exist to argue the question of existence because the conditions exist to form us. They have absolutely no relevance to whether it happened naturally or supernaturally.

12/15/2007 8:36:47 PM


In the beginning God made mankind, then he made everything else(including women) to to fit to him.

12/15/2007 11:32:23 PM


And as a matter of fact, solar systems tend to flatten themselves because of something to do with gravity. If I ever got around to that freaking gravity simulator I wanna build, I would show you.

Heck, I should go do that right now....

12/15/2007 11:57:07 PM


To summarize:
Idiot: 2 + 2 = 5
People with brains: Actually no. 2 + 2 = 4. Not 5. Can't be done, sorry.
Idiot: But have you considered how when you add two and two you get five? That proves that 2 + 2 = 5.

12/16/2007 12:00:12 AM

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